Hawaii governor announces 'exact' place of Obama birth

World Net Daily ^ | 5-5-10 | Joe Kovacs

[STARWISE]

'The question has been asked and answered, and I think we should all move on now'

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..... the governor of Hawaii is now publicly voicing the alleged exact location of Obama's birth, saying "the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii"

The disclosure is believed to be the first time a state government official has declared the precise place where Obama was born, despite numerous other published claims, including some for a different hospital in Honolulu.

The remark came Sunday night when Gov. Linda Lingle, a Republican, was interviewed on New York's WABC Radio by host Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. (The subject was addressed at the 77-minute mark HERE.)

[OafOfOffice]

I just forgot the word he used. I know what he meant and I know how smart he is. I adore him after reading his book.

[OafOfOffice]

If you google the story is on a lot of websites including FR.

Looks like Sinclair took down one website where the story was and only has
http://www.larrysinclair.com/.

Interesting comment by Larry;

Saturday, March 13, 2010 I had the pleasure of speaking with a respected Investigative Reporter in the DC area. This reporter did not take my claims against Barack Obama seriously for a while (and he explained to me why he wrote certain articles.) But on Saturday he made it clear to me that my allegations against Barack Obama were more on point than he had thought.

I have agreed to assist this DC reporter in any way that I can and I feel confident there are even more reporters out there who have reason to look at what I have stated and written in regards to Barack Obama and his closet ways.

[OafOfOffice]

I will look some more later and see if lamecherry has the story. I have to go to a appointment.

[Faith]

You can find the Sinclair story here:

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/obama_government/news.php?q=1230433739

[Faith]

This comes from an article about the Tribute Service which was held for Madelyn. None of the family attended it. Interesting that she was eligible to have her ashes placed with her husband at Punchbowl, but B.O. and M.O. chose to toss them in the ocean.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081113/NEWS01/811130371/-1/RSS02?source=rss_localnews

Dunham’s husband, Stanley Dunham, was a World War II veteran, and an urn containing his ashes is interred at the Punchbowl columbarium. Spouses of those buried at Punchbowl are eligible to make it their final resting place as well.

But Tomimbang and others involved in tomorrow’s event said the fact that it is happening at Punchbowl should not be taken as an indication she will be buried there.

[Dajjal]

obumpa

[jamese777]

Your right, the Indiana court isn’t even their Supreme court that rendered that decision. Even worse of a case to cite for Constitutional eligibility concerns.
Andrew Jackson, born in 1767, was a citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution. He was not an NBC. However, he was grandfathered in. Are you saying Obama was a citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution? Otherwise, why would you mention Jackson?

There is no case pending on the US Supreme Court’s docket that pertains to whether a president must have two native born parents in order to qualify as eligible.” True. Not at this moment there isn’t.

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You were discussing a president’s PARENTS needing to be born as citizens not the person elected as president. I mentioned Jackson because his parents were not born as citizens. Neither were one parent of Presidents Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers; Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.

The US Supreme Court’s docket is already set with the cases they will hear for 2010. Maybe in 2011 there will be an Obama eligibility suit that reaches the high court, who knows?

[edge919]

HIPAA allows directory information to be released to the public, such as whether a patient has been admitted. There’s no reason that a hospital would be unable to verify that Obama was born there or not, especially when the birth and the mother are public knowledge. The location or identification of the hospital doesn’t violate privacy.

[Spaulding]

rxsid, well put, as usual (and my apologies for misspelling rxsid in a previous note.

Thanks for Kawakita v. U.S. I had never seen that decision. Every point I've seen pertaining to NBC is in support of Vattel - and I pay particular attention to dissenting arguments - is positive. No historical authority argues otherwise.

The direct explanation, NBC is what 5 chief justices said it is, make the clearest case for those who haven't the time or interest in our history. The history of citizenship law was largely governed by private property interests, including inheritance, before the middle of the nineteenth century. Washington had some more immediate concerns when the revolutionaries were in the minority. He needed those committed to staying in the new republic because the would fight more ferociously to protect their families and property.

Many on both sides don't raise the issue, familiar to anyone who has tried to design new systems, of the significance of a framework on which to build a revolutionary type of government. Mechanical engineers have Newtonian mechanics and software engineers will assume operating systems and languages, but a monarch-centric government is clearly inappropriate for an egalitarian republic. That is why Vattel was not just a reference to the framers and founders, but the foundation of the republic, and most of them have said just that.

For Obama supporters to point to the always shifting legal body controlled by the crown and his titled aristocracy makes no sense, and was simply not the fact. Jefferson taught Marshall and Munroe, and probably Madison the Law of Nations using Vattel as the text at William and Mary beginning in 1779. Vattel was by far the most cited authority in legal actions for the first thirty years after the ratification. One need only read the references in the treatise of Wilson, Kent, and Story. There are several scholarly references, The Grotrian Society Papers 1972 and Arthur Nussbaum’s A Concise History of the Law of Nations which support these claims

[rxsid]

"You were discussing a president’s PARENTS needing to be born as citizens not the person elected as president. I mentioned Jackson because his parents were not born as citizens. Neither were one parent of Presidents Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers; Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.

The US Supreme Court’s docket is already set with the cases they will hear for 2010. Maybe in 2011 there will be an Obama eligibility suit that reaches the high court, who knows?

Again, why bring up Jackson? The NBC clause didn't apply to him, so it didn't matter that his parents were not citizens of this country. Didn't matter at all. We are discussing "Natural Born Citizens" (being born in country to citizen parentS), NOT "or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution" (who's parent's citizenship status was irrelevant).

[reasonisfaith]

I believe the purpose of HIPAA was to place a system-wide burden on the health care industry and disguise it as something meant to protect citizens. Every time a doctor or nurse needs to get information from another source they need to jump through hoops. Multiply that across the system and you have more skyrocketing health care costs.

First of all, let’s face it. Nobody cared all that much about the issue—that is, it wasn’t a huge problem because doctors and nurses have always been respectful of the privacy of medical records.

As with everything done by democrats (or rinos) and having to do with big government, it accomplishes the opposite of what it claimed to intend—by dragging down the health care system.

Thanks, democrats. The enablement of self-destruction is perpetrated by the socialist and by the democrat voter.

[SloopJohnB]

A site so well done the Library of Congress invited the site be placed in their domain.

Related to eligibility:

The Obama File

[sometime lurker]

HIPAA allows directory information to be released to the public, such as whether a patient has been admitted. There’s no reason that a hospital would be unable to verify that Obama was born there or not, especially when the birth and the mother are public knowledge. The location or identification of the hospital doesn’t violate privacy.

I'm afraid it's not that simple. Yes, HIPAA allows information on a patient's location to be released as part of the facility directory. Please note that it applies to patients currently in the facility or recently released, not patients from 40 plus years ago. And even for this "directory exception" the patient or authorized person must be given the opportunity to object. In emergency circumstances, the patient may be included in the directory, but must be offered the chance to withdraw from the directory as soon as practicable.

That something is public knowledge does not excuse the hospital from it's obligation to keep PHI confidential. You can write a best selling tell-all book giving every detail of your gall bladder surgery, and the hospital still can't say a word without a release.

[reasonisfaith]

Thanks for this post, BDZ. I would like to use your arguments here and other posts when debating with some liberals I know.

You clearly show how the military has operated on personal feelings in this matter. If you ask me, I’d say the military has its share of pansies these days.

We’ll find out more when we see who has the stones to follow Lakin’s example.

[sometime lurker]

Not precisely, it's somewhat more complicated. As edge919 correctly points out, a current inpatient can have name and location included as part of the "facility directory." The patient is supposed to be offered the opportunity to opt out, however. If they don't opt out, the hospital may give out

patient name, location in the facility, health condition expressed in general terms that does not communicate specific medical information about the individual, [stable, guarded, etc.] and religious affiliation. The patient must be informed about the information to be included in the directory, and to whom the information may be released, and must have the opportunity to restrict the information or to whom it is disclosed, or opt out of being included in the directory.

Some hospitals won't give any information unless the questioner inquires using the name of the patient [as opposed to "the guy who drove through the restaurant window that the police brought in].

[Mr Rogers]

The military is following the lead of Congress & the US Supreme Court.

Lakin wants the military to follow...Internet websites.

Happily, the military won’t make Lakin happy.

[edge919]

I'm afraid it's not that simple. Yes, HIPAA allows information on a patient's location to be released as part of the facility directory. Please note that it applies to patients currently in the facility or recently released, not patients from 40 plus years ago. And even for this "directory exception" the patient or authorized person must be given the opportunity to object. In emergency circumstances, the patient may be included in the directory, but must be offered the chance to withdraw from the directory as soon as practicable.

I'm afraid it is that simple. A lot of hospitals have had a general practice over the years prior to the passage of HIPAA of releasing admissions information in newspapers and/or on the radio. I remember seeing this as a kid when I was growing up. They can't retroactively disallow information that has already been made public. It would be an administrative nightmare. The law also allows leeway for personal judgment calls to be made by hospital administrators. It's extremely doubtful that any hospital is going to get in trouble for saying SAD was treated and released at Kapiolani hospital ... I don't see a rule that prevents them from saying she was never there, if such is the case. If they can say a patient was treated and released or in their directory, they should by simple logic, be able to say a patient wasn't there.

[sometime lurker]

Does HIPAA cover a person who’s been dead for a year and a half? It’s one thing for Hussein’s attorneys to hide his personal records, but it’s entirely different to hide Madelyn’s.

Yes, HIPAA still applies even after death.

the medical record of a deceased patient is subject to all restraints on disclosure that are applicable to the record of a living patient.."

The main distinction is who may authorize release of records, the executor, etc. rather than the patient.

[OafOfOffice]

Thank you for finding that story by Sinclair.

I have always felt quick cremation was so no DNA could EVER be taken. Years after death they can go for DNA. Of course more and more people are doing cremation so maybe it is just their wishes. But why so quick and so private?

Obama’s mother and grandmother were women according to his stories to be celebrated. As Christians we honor their life when someone has died. Obama hid them in life and when they died. It’s almost as if they really did not die.

Think about President Bush handling his parents this way.

[STARWISE]

Most definitely deserved. It’s an incredible
resource and evidence of heroic devotion, much
toil and hard work, countless hours and months
(may it not be years), and very much appreciated.

It’ll hopefully be there, documenting the path
of these evil souls and this outrageous travesty
for generations.

Lord, let it end with the righteous outcome and
the permanent resurrection and durability of our
precious Constitution as the Framers designed it.

Thank you, Beckwith .. you’re a great patriot
warrior hero and FReeper.

The Obama File (everything is searchable)
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaCOLB.htm