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Nation's gun cancer spreads
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | May 3, 2010 | Patrick Walsh

Posted on 05/03/2010 8:52:31 AM PDT by Second Amendment First

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To: Puppage; All

Thomas Jefferson: “The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”

James Madison: “Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” (Federalist Paper #46)

Samual Adams: “The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” (Convention of the Commonwealth of Mass., 86-87, date still being sought)

Richard Henry Lee: “A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms.” (Additional letters from the Federal Farmer, at 169, 1788)


81 posted on 05/03/2010 9:28:30 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Thinking of using 911 for protection? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Second Amendment First
there are no campaigns to ban Bowie knives.

The Bowie knife has had it's campaigns, there have been times when guns were allowed, but the Bowie was seen as too brutal and effective at close quarters to allow. Currently the Bowie is banned in many places in America, and double edged knives are illegal just about everywhere.

Interestingly, my 17" Hell's Belle, fighting Bowie is legal to carry in California, and it is a source of comfort in knife based biker bars, it also draws attention.

"There is no question that the knives were deadly. Across the young country, according to one breathless account, "Bowies were drinking blood from New Orleans to Dubuque and from Savannah to Brazos." In 1837 the Arkansas Speaker of the House killed a fellow legislator with a Bowie on the floor of the Arkansas House of Representatives. That same year Alabama passed a law stipulating that anyone who killed another person with a Bowie knife "shall suffer the same as if the killing had been by malice and aforethought." In 1828 Tennessee banned their sale."

82 posted on 05/03/2010 9:28:42 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: TSgt
The anti-gun laws work so well in Detroit and Chicago. There are hardly any shootings or killings!

Detroit?

83 posted on 05/03/2010 9:28:43 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: Red in Blue PA

Amen!


84 posted on 05/03/2010 9:29:06 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Lion Den Dan

I doubt he ever saw any action either.

I’ll bet he’d crap in his pants if he was faced with someone pointing a gun at him. And after soiling his panties, he’d probably shoot his feet off.


85 posted on 05/03/2010 9:30:04 AM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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To: Frenchtown Dan
IF GUNS ARE OUTLAWED, ONLY CRIMINALS WEARING BADGES, FOR THE MOST PART, WILL HAVE GUNS!!
86 posted on 05/03/2010 9:31:44 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Paddy boy?...your damp, lace trimmed, pink panties are showing. Don’t like guns?...move to the UK.


87 posted on 05/03/2010 9:32:38 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: Dead Corpse

Thank you. I was an engineering student. Loved math. My grammatical skills were stunted by the Language Arts program at my public school. I learned more about the effective use of the English language while on the job, and through reading.

I know that the introductory clause of the 2nd Ammendment was not constructed to restrict what came later.


88 posted on 05/03/2010 9:32:53 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Still Thinking

Hah !

He does look and sound awfully gay.


89 posted on 05/03/2010 9:33:09 AM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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To: Joe Brower; Lion Den Dan; TexasCowboy; colorado tanker; FreedomPoster; 30-06 Springfield; ...
Well, all this does is prove that military service is no guarantee against being a sheeple.

Aptly put. One of the biggest purveyors of firearms control regulations is the military. Active duty soldiers have to jump through many hoops just to exercise their second amendment rights.

90 posted on 05/03/2010 9:33:18 AM PDT by SLB (23rd Artillery Group, Republic of South Vietnam, Aug 1970 - Aug 1971.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

It’s what Mr. Hoppes guards against...


91 posted on 05/03/2010 9:33:58 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Second Amendment First
No one rails against the manufacture of axes or baseball bats; there are no campaigns to ban Bowie knives.

Patrick's apparently never been to the UK either.

92 posted on 05/03/2010 9:34:19 AM PDT by ProfoundBabe (“Every real thought on every real subject knocks the wind out of somebody or other.” - OW Holmes)
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To: Frenchtown Dan

Well, I mean during gestation, because the post I was replying to accused him of “misconception” in that context, but you’re right about the gay thing as well.


93 posted on 05/03/2010 9:34:42 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Second Amendment First
Clearly, the framers placed the right to bear arms within the context of organized military service.

It seldom fails that a sentence prefaced with "Clearly", or "As everyone knows", or similar, is complete and utter nonsense.

94 posted on 05/03/2010 9:34:49 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

***And no, the Founders and the average person never was looking at the 2nd Amendment as a granting to them to purchase personal cannons.***

Actually they did consider cannon to be private arms. There was even a horse drawn PLOW made with a built in cannon made for farmers in remote areas. I wish I could find a picture!


95 posted on 05/03/2010 9:35:25 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: edcoil
Four years of college then becoming an “officer” - what program is that? OCS?

Sounds like it. And the four year stint in the Army makes me believe he quickly found out what OCS means to other officers the Army. The West Pointers don't even talk to you, and the ROTC guys get to treat you the way the West Point guys treat them.

96 posted on 05/03/2010 9:35:33 AM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I believe “Clearly” is journalist for “This sentence is utter bull$hit”


97 posted on 05/03/2010 9:35:54 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Second Amendment First
One needn't be a constitutional law scholar to discern the Founding Fathers' intent in the Second Amendment. The original draft presented to the first session of the first Congress read: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person."

First of all, that draft wasn't accepted - so it means NOTHING.

Second, whether you read this draft or the actual 2nd Amendment that was ratified and is still the law of the land, something is clear: that the Founders wanted a nation of riflemen, riflemen who would go forth and become an effective militia, riflemen who would give foreign and domestic enemies of liberty significant pause before acting.

All things considered, I'd say we've done pretty well. Yes, we have a few miscreants who commit crimes, many of those with guns. But let's look at 2 things: first, the number of casualties that we have in this nation. It should be noted that the violent crime rate per 100,000 people has declined substantially in the last 15 or so years, despite the fact that something north of 5 million new guns are sold quite legally in this country (and during the last 2 years it was significantly over 10 million, if the number of NICS checks is accurate). So we have at least 60 million more guns than when the "Assault Rifle Ban" was put into place (and probably closer to 80 million more), yet crime has dropped. That is what is known as a "negative correlation." End of his argument, right there.

But, second, let's look at what the costs of NOT having guns would be - perhaps we'd have been invaded by Japan, a Japan that was deterred from such by the experienced words of Admiral Yamamoto - he, as a military attache in this country, knew this country, its industrial potential and its people. He knew of the vast quantities of guns in the hands of civilians, civilians who knew how to use those guns to great effect, and he warned his fell General Staff officers against an invasion. Perhaps some would-be tyrant (Lefties hate Nixon, so let's use him) decided that he wanted to be President for life - if he had the military with him, who could possibly stop him (or her - we're watching YOU, Hillary)? Well, today, you'd have some 85 million Americans, armed with roughly 250 million guns, as opposition. You think that Iraq or Afghanistan is tough? Our military and all police forces combined couldn't hope to win against even an unorganized nationwide resistance by 10% of gun owners - they'd be chopped to ribbons in short order.

Anyhow, you statist idiot, MOLON LABE!!!! Come and take them, if you dare.

98 posted on 05/03/2010 9:35:59 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Awesome! I want one!


99 posted on 05/03/2010 9:36:26 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Second Amendment First
With a bolt-action rifle and a telescopic sight, I could put a bullet through my neighbor from a hundred yards away as he crosses his living room.

Normal people don't think like this.

100 posted on 05/03/2010 9:36:29 AM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked." BHO)
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