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To: GeronL

Yes, they do like to dumb down every conversation.

The author is also ignoring that even if we had no immigration at all, we wouldn’t be facing the type of demographic death spiral of places like Russia or Japan. For the moment at least, we still have a healthy birthrate; the leftists are just doing everything in their power to change that.


5 posted on 05/02/2010 11:53:31 AM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: eclecticEel
You may have missed on this one.

The (of all people) Sierra Club, who as an organization was virtually against immigrants, posted studies that the US, minus both legal and illegal input (45 million) the US would have birth rate like that of Japan.

From http://www.susps.org/

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"Since 1996, leaders of the Sierra Club have refused to admit that immigration driven, rapid U.S. population growth causes massive environmental problems. And they have refused to acknowledge the need to reduce U.S. immigration levels in order to stabilize the U.S. population and protect our natural resources. Their refusal to do what common sense says is best for the environment was a mystery for nearly a decade.

Then, on Oct. 27, 2004, the Los Angeles Times revealed the answer: David Gelbaum, a super rich donor, had demanded this position from the Sierra Club in return for huge donations! Kenneth Weiss, author of the LA Times article that broke the story, quoted what David Gelbaum said to Sierra Club Executive Director Carl Pope:

"I did tell Carl Pope in 1994 or 1995 that if they ever came out anti-immigration, they would never get a dollar from me."

Who says money doesn't talk?

And from http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20040218&slug=sierra18m

"While most environmental groups typically have not tackled U.S. population growth, the stalwart Sierra Club addressed it as early as 1965.

The club persuaded Stanford biologist Paul Ehrlich to write "The Population Bomb" (1968), which defined population as a national environmental issue.

Later, the group championed a national population policy, family planning programs and the availability of abortion. It also looked at population in developing countries, again advocating reproductive health and family planning services.

Limiting U.S. immigration was part of the club's "population-stabilization" platform.

"The U.S., by many measures, is the most overpopulated nation on the planet because of our consumption level, because of the number of resources we use and the way we contribute to the deterioration of the ecosystem," said Judy Kunofsky, a Berkeley mathematician who chaired the club's population committee in the 1980s.

"The Sierra Club believed that for everyone's sake around the world, the U.S. both needed to curb its consumption and stop increasing its numbers."

Notice the SC relationship with Paul Ehrlich.

More here http://www.commonsenseonmassimmigration.us/articles/art_hull.html

and here

http://www.overpopulation.org/older.html

THe links are for your review, I DO NOT promote any of thier views - one way or the other.
I will say we must control the invasion on our borders or face the prospect of failure as a Nation-State.

23 posted on 05/02/2010 12:57:15 PM PDT by ASOC (I am available for spill response work, all I ask is $800/day plus expenses.....)
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