Posted on 05/02/2010 10:06:04 AM PDT by Menehune56
In discussions concerning the constitutional eligibility of Barrack Hussein Obama II for the office of President of the United States, many point out that if there were a real issue, the Republicans would have leveraged it in 2008 to retain control of the White House. But it was well-documented at the time, and additional documentation and analysis have established, that John McCain’s eligibility was in question as well. With that being the case, why would the Republicans nominate a candidate who might not be constitutionally eligible to serve in the office?
The answer may be a simple one – the 2008 race was going to the Democrats and the Republicans did not want a leading candidate for 2012 to lose or be roughed up during the campaign. So the solution – let the man who needed to win in 2008, if he was ever going to be president, run – even if he might not be constitutionally eligible. Was this a grand conspiracy by the Republican Party? No, it was just simple pragmatic political strategy.
(Excerpt) Read more at thepostemail.com ...
Which ones are “natural born” citizens — Ronald Reagan, Barack Obama, John McCain, or Arnold Schwarzenegger?
http://theobamafile.com/_eligibility/FourCases.htm
That's now what McCain's lawyers said. They say it's a fake and displute its authenticity.
McCain also contradicts the information the fake BC. McCain maintains that he was born on the Coco Solo naval base, not in the city of Colon.
FYI, McCain never showed the fake BC to anyone. It was submitted into evidence by someone who was suing to stop McCain from getting on the ballot in the GOP primary.
Incidentally, that case was dismissed for lack of standing. Sound familiar?
Coco Solo Hospital was built in 1941. McCain was born in ’36.
Anybody can get an official copy of McCain’s Certificate of Live Birth by writing to:
Canal Zone Vital Records Office
Vital Records Branch
Passport Services
1111 19th Street NW, Suite 510
Washington, DC, CZ 34011-2300
202-955-0307
Maybe because some Republicans know that Hawaii is one of the States?
Have you been in Panama ever??
The current one was built in 1941, yes. That doesn't mean there wasn't one there before.
Anybody can get an official copy of McCain’s Certificate of Live Birth by writing to:
Anyone? I doubt it. Privacy laws generally restrict access to birth certificates to family members or people who have a tangible, legal need to access them.
I'm glad to see that you finally present your true "color" that you ARE an Obot. Now, a very simple question to an OLD and Tired (nutty), if McPain's status was sooooo clear cut as you claim, WHY did your dear lib-Senators needed to come up with the Resolution 511, WHY???
Now please don't start your usually "tap-dancing," but explain the question, to WHY, so we can understand it!!!
"Some bloggers are questioning John McCain's right to run for the presidency on the basis of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone. They have produced "evidence" showing that that the hospital where the Arizona senator says he was born was not built until 1941--five years after McCain's birth. A review of the archival record shows that there was a small hospital at the Coco Solo submarine base in 1936 and also reveals the name of the U.S. Navy physician who signed McCain's birth certificate."
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/john_mccains_birthplace.html
The local English language paper said he was born in the Submarine Base. That was in the zone. But as you said, it doesn't matter, but it doesn't matter because he would have been eligible even if born in Colon. Because of his father's status as a serving member of the US military. That being the reason he was not born in the US proper. It's a matter of juridiction, more than physical location.
But I think the doctored (read FAKE) abstract and long form certificates were intended to weaken him even farther than he managed on his own.
Small hospital (what a quack of a name) = dispensary which every community in the Canal Zone and military had. They were not built for delivering babies. They were built to treat things like the common cold, etc., to avoid clogging up the emergency room.
So now the dispensary at Coco Solo was renamed “small hospital.” Gads...How they play with words.
Anybody can come up with a U.S. Navy physician’s name who supposedly signed McCain’s birth certificate. Even Obama does this every day. Can anyone identify him? Of course not. Who’s ever name they used is either dead or never existed.
On the other hand, there is an important name on McCain’s Canal Zone CoLB that I recognized. I went to school with him.
How do you explain that the Panama American reported his birth, in the society section, as being on the Submarine base in the hospital there? It’s surely not in Colon. I think both the abstract and the long form posted on line were fake. We know that one was produced against him in a lawsuite, and not by him or directly from the Panamanian authorities.
I don't believe you.
Anybody can come up with a U.S. Navy physician’s name who supposedly signed McCain’s birth certificate.
Nope. Only the WaPo reporter to whom McCain showed his BC to can do that. He also happens to be the guy who writes that blog.
On the other hand, there is an important name on McCain’s Canal Zone CoLB that I recognized.
Where did you get McCain's canal zone COLB? As far as I know, it has never been made public.
Not only that, but McCain's lawyers explicitly repudiated it.
Now please don't start your usually “tap-dancing,” but explain the question, to WHY, so we can understand it!!!”
Actually, I was simply pointing out the absurdity of your contention that defending McCain's status as a NBC makes one an O-Bot. But that's okay—I know you have reading comprehension issues.
Why does it matter who came up with 511 since it doesn't apply to Obama? And last time I looked Tom Coburn, one of the co-sponsers, was not a liberal Democart. Nor were the Republican Senators who participated in its passage by unanimous consent. Nor is Ted Olson, who co-wrote the memorandum I provided for which no response was even attempted.
Why did they pass it? I guess they knew there were lunatics out there in the nut house carrying on about this and they wanted to go on record as not bothering with such nonsense any longer. If so, I applaud them.
Let me guess one more time--you're one of those who actually thinks Manning is having a real trial, aren't you?
Since you don’t believe me, quit bothering me.
But to answer you last stupid question:
Anybody can get an official copy of McCain’s Certificate of Live Birth by writing to:
Canal Zone Vital Records Office
Vital Records Branch
Passport Services
1111 19th Street NW, Suite 510
Washington, DC, CZ 34011-2300
202-955-0307
That's simply not true.
Ark is not responsive here. The Court in Ark was not asked to conclude as to his natural born status, only his status as a “citizen”.
n fact, if you read the full case and the writings of each justice, the Court would have concluded that Ark was not a natural born citizen of the US.
We have 3 definitions from the Court in Ark, Minor and Elg, all state that a natural born citizen is born of 2 citizen parents (plural).
AS far as Indiana’s ruling, the lower court improperly cited Ark as guidance, when the Court had made no such ruling, and would not have.
Obama is not eligible either by the founders and framers intent nor by SCOTUS defintion, which has not changed.
I do support him for bringing the awareness of your dear leader's ineligibility to the public, and to your SRM, and I'm sure the majority of posters here do as well!
It seems to me that he has real cojones to stand up for the Constitution and contrary to you, he doesn't wear Obotter KNEE-PADS like you. You are just such a great "tap-dancer"!!
And you show your true color of continue attempts to keep your dear leader in office at any cost!!!
I asked you before if you ever have been in Panama, I have, could you answer that simple question with a yes or no without any distraction tap-dancing???
US v] Wong Kim Ark has zero relevance to this issue.
They were addressing an individual that had been lawfully born in the us to non-citizen parents, not anything in that case is in any way parallel to the Pretender’s case. They were not addressing Article II, Section 1 issues.
He was born outside the US, in the homeland of his father, and never acquired US citizenship. But the relevance of that is beyond what is needed to disqualify him. There is no scenario under which he could qualify as a natural born citizen.
Thje issues and cases are discussed in detail here:
http://www.thepostemail.com/2009/10/18/4-supreme-court-cases-define-natural-born-citizen/
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