The Man John Jay warned About

Canada Free Press ^ | 4/27/2010 | Doug Hagmann

[Menehune56]

I cannot think of any other subject in recent American history that has been so mired in controversy, so factually misrepresented, mischaracterized and so misunderstood than the matter of the eligibility of Barack Hussein OBAMA II to hold the office of President of the United States. Despite its importance, the topic has been summarily dismissed as fodder for conspiracy theorists by many, while others insist that the question of OBAMA’s citizenship has been “asked and answered.” But has it really been answered, and if not, why not?

[Menehune56]

Subtitled ''An investigative report detailing the Obama eligibility controversy" Canada Free Press continues to do the work the American media refuse to do.

[SvenMagnussen]

A Certificate of Loss of Nationality (CLN) is issued to finalize an expatriate’s renouncement. Anyone can renounce their U.S. Citizenship.

Copies of the CLN are sent to the IRS, FBI, and USCIS. The IRS publishes the names in the Federal Register to announce the taxpayer’s CLN to State tax collection authorities.

Barry Soetoro’s CLN wasn’t published because he did not have an SSN when he renounced to become an Indonesian National.

7 FAM 1241 INTRODUCTION TO
INTERAGENCY COORDINATION AND
REPORTING REQUIREMENTS
(CT:CON-274; 11-26-2008)
a. The Bureau of Consular Affairs (CA) coordinates closely with various
offices in the Department of State and other Federal agencies, and with
U.S. States, on issues related to expatriation. Much of this interagency
coordination is mandated by Federal law and policy guidelines.
CA/OCS/PRI provides copies of approved Certificates of Loss of
Nationality (CLNs) to the following Federal agencies pursuant to statutory
requirements:
(1) U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS);
(2) Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI);
(3) Internal Revenue Service (IRS)

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"Canada Free Press continues to do the work the American media refuse to do."

Are they here illegally in our country???

[Genoa]

I was thinking that a minor couldn’t renounce. (Previous threads.) It would have to be confirmed as an adult.

[thethirddegree]

Obama needs to be tried for treason.

[definitelynotaliberal]

ping

From the article:

Three years after that note was written, Congress affirmed in 1790 that a person born abroad whose parents are both citizens of the U.S. is, in fact, a U.S. citizen.

I didn’t know that *both* parents had to be citizens.

[Repeat Offender]

The problem is that when you say "John Jay".... the average American mind goes "Jingleheimerschmidt, his name is my name too."

And whatever point you were trying to make is lost. Unless that was the rest of what you were trying to say and someone sang that song on yesterday's episode of American Idol.

[Loud Mime]

Thanks V!

[bonfire]

That’s John JACOB....not John Jay :)

[jazminerose]

A lot of CFP columnists are Americans. They write for CFP for reasons that should be obvious.

[MamaTexan]

I was thinking that a minor couldn’t renounce.

I believe that to be true as well.

IMHO, his birth certificate is immaterial First, because it would have his adopted name of Barry Soetoro [not Barack Obama], and secondly because of his minor status.

That's why whether or not he received funding for college as a foreign national under his alias is so important, but that, too is under lock and key.

[mattdono]

Sorry to play thread-cop, but why can’t FREEPERs not post the whole article (with the exception being the legal excerpt requirements)?

It’s like every friggin’ post is an excerpt.

FREEPERs are friggin’ lazy.

[jazminerose]

That is correct. But given Barry’s hatred for America & peculiar trips to Indonesia, it’s certainly not impossible to imagine.

[Mr Rogers]

A minor cannot lose his citizenship.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2499682/posts

[Mr Rogers]

If born abroad, both parents need to be citizens. If born in the USA, that isn’t true.

[Genoa]

funding for college as a foreign national

I agree that this is the root issue. Or even if he applied for it by using a claim of foreign citizenship, whether he actually took any such student aid or not. I think that's at the bottom of his reluctance to even start releasing documentation of his life. Sooner or later this would be found out.

[Diogenesis]

“D.C. Tech Official Is Accused of Bribery(Birth Certificate Forgery)
A D.C. government official and a business executive were arrested yesterday on bribery
charges involving city technology contracts that included "ghost" workers and
kickbacks, federal authorities said. Until recently, the technology office was headed
by Vivek Kundra, who has taken a job as President Obama's chief information officer.
A White House official confirmed last night that Kundra has taken a leave of absence.
“Yusuf Acar, 40, who has worked in the technology office since 2004, was charged with
bribery, conspiracy, money laundering and conflict of interest.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Thomas Hibarger told a federal judge that Acar is a flight risk because agents
seized $70,000 in cash in his house and because in recorded conversations, he boasted that he could easily flee to his native Turkey.
Acar also told the informant that he could use
computers to create fake D.C. birth certificates, Hibarger said. “

[sometime lurker]

From the US State Department pages, a minor can’t renounce unless he convinces a consular office that he “fully understands” the consequences. I can’t see a consular officer being convinced by a young child, or probably any minor under the age of 14 or 15, and even that would be dicey.

I’ve seen this posted in several threads - how do you reconcile this assertion with the stated policy of the United States?

And why would the lack of a SSN keep something of public record from being available?

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"I didn’t know that *both* parents had to be citizens."

This term comes from Vattell's "Law of Nations". In that book, Vattell says that citizenship is passed through the father.

"http://www.birthers.org/USC/Vattel.html"

Which would be really bad for Obama. That would mean he's a British citizen. The people he keeps dissing. However, I think that statute at the time of his birth said that if he's born in this country to a mother under 18 (or maybe it's 16 I can't remember what I read) he is a citizen. That's why it's so important to find out if he was born in this country.

[Smokeyblue]

Excellent article!