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To: tired_old_conservative

Who has the ability to present credible evidence and to what governing legal authority?

So far the courts have said it’s none of our damned business. The state attorneys, attorneys generals, FBI, secret service, governors, lieutenant governors, ombudsman, and Congress have all refused to do a thing.

Where is my ability to petition the government for a redress of grievances - which is supposed to be just as vital to the fabric of this nation as my freedom of religion or speech?

And I didn’t hear you say how the military provides for its officers to keep their oaths in such a situation. Seems to me you said there is no way for them to keep their oaths. Is that correct?


371 posted on 04/25/2010 6:53:58 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
“Who has the ability to present credible evidence and to what governing legal authority?”

Anyone who thinks they have credible evidence can try. But, to be honest, I've had this conversation with lots of potential clients. They all think they have a compelling case, and sometimes you have to break it to them that the courts simply aren't going to agree, for a variety of reasons. Nobody likes to hear that, but it is what it is.

“Where is my ability to petition the government for a redress of grievances - which is supposed to be just as vital to the fabric of this nation as my freedom of religion or speech?”

You can petition them. But they don't have to do what you want. You're guaranteed avenues only to be heard.

“And I didn’t hear you say how the military provides for its officers to keep their oaths in such a situation. Seems to me you said there is no way for them to keep their oaths. Is that correct?”

I think the military does not endorse the proposition that each individual officer is empowered to be his own interpreter of Constitutional adherence, especially on issues that are inextricably political. For example, any officer can feel that a given war is unjust and an affront to the Constitution. Ulysses S. Grant was quite negative about the Mexican-American War in which he served. He could have made a case that it was against the intent of the Constitution. Others did, even going so far as to call President James Polk a tyrant. But they also understood that they had multiple obligations in that oath, and that for the military to attempt to determine political outcomes is a sufficiently grave infringement upon the Constitution itself that it is, shall we say, above their pay grade.

380 posted on 04/25/2010 7:13:40 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: butterdezillion; tired_old_conservative

“The state attorneys, attorneys generals, FBI, secret service, governors, lieutenant governors, ombudsman, and Congress have all refused to do a thing.”

Well, that means either a lot of folks who don’t know each other are maintaining a perfect conspiracy, or your case sucks...

They haven’t taken a pro-active stance against little Martians invading my yard, but I just SS&SU.


382 posted on 04/25/2010 7:21:39 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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