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It's Almost Impossible To "Get By" In The US Today
Zero Hedge ^ | 04/13/2010 | Graham Summers of Phoenix Capital Research

Posted on 04/13/2010 6:59:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: CodeToad
Income figures do not include the “poor” on welfare or those without incomes.

Do median household income figures also exclude households with single people living alone?

41 posted on 04/13/2010 7:48:36 AM PDT by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: CodeToad
Wrong. From the Census Bureau: "Money income includes amounts reported separately for wage or salary income; net self-employment income; interest, dividends, or net rental or royalty income or income from estates and trusts; Social Security or Railroad Retirement income; Supplemental Security Income (SSI); public assistance or welfare payments; retirement, survivor, or disability pensions; and all other income. " Emphasis mine.

And it is that statistic that is used in the article.

So the income statistic does include the non-working poor, and government handouts to the working poor, and my critique stands.

42 posted on 04/13/2010 7:49:02 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Little Ray
This is why Joe’s wife has to work, too.

And that is why Joe warehouses his kids in public school, the biggest and most insidious welfare program of them all. The govt babysits them and fails to teach them properly. But Joe gets to live in a house with a big fat mortgage, and think himself successful at keeping up.

43 posted on 04/13/2010 7:50:12 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

There are no buses where I live...


45 posted on 04/13/2010 7:51:25 AM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: Megan D

ChocChipCookie has some pretty powerful credentials on and outside of FR. Laugh all you want, but she is a roll model for all women.

You signed up today? Really, you need to be familiar with some of the folks here before you start taking random shots at respected members.
I would advise you to slow down with flame posts before some tags you as a troll.

Otherwise enjoy our community and welcome to FR.


46 posted on 04/13/2010 7:53:29 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
I know plenty of people who live very well on less than $1k/mo. They don’t have ANY mortgage, they bought a house they could afford. They don’t have cable tv, particularly if they have children

You know people who have children and live well on less than 1K per month? What do they do for a living?

47 posted on 04/13/2010 7:55:12 AM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: carton253

Why not?


48 posted on 04/13/2010 7:56:30 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Because there’s not... There haven’t been buses for almost 30 years.


49 posted on 04/13/2010 7:58:22 AM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: ctdonath2

The Bible says that debt is slavery. I don’t see an exception for mortgages in there . . .


51 posted on 04/13/2010 8:04:14 AM PDT by Woebama
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To: Megan D
Welcome to FR, but taking shots at long established Freepers isn't the way to begin your journey. Just a friendly warning.

Again, welcome to FR.

52 posted on 04/13/2010 8:05:41 AM PDT by carton253 (Ask me about Throw Away the Scabbard - a Civil War alternate history.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“Are people willing to live in a place that is boring, in exchange for economic stability and solvency?”
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Boring is a state of mind, not a place. Anyone who is bored has only himself to blame. Some people might look at my life and say that I am a boring person but I am never bored.

Years ago Paul Harvey read an on air quotation from someone to the effect that being educated means that a person can spend an hour sitting and waiting for a bus or an airline flight with nothing to read, nobody to talk to and nothing else for amusement (cell phones, gameboys and such didn’t exist at the time) and never be bored. In other words an educated person could spend that time visualizing solutions to problems, mentally writing a poem or something but never would they be bored.

Nothing spells immaturity quite like someone who complains to others about being bored or calls other people or places boring. Anytime I feel the slightest hint of boredom I find something to dispel that feeling. I may be happy, I may be sad, I may be angry, I may be frightened, I may even go mad but I refuse to be bored.


53 posted on 04/13/2010 8:06:36 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a leftist is like trying to catch sunshine in a fish net at midnight.)
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To: Wissa

Not hardly. “State” as in one of the 50 States. In this case, this hearkens back to the idea of the “poor farm” that existed before Frank Roosevelt, but is a considerably better deal for all concerned.

Back then, the States and counties would take over a bankrupt farm, and build a barracks on it. Then they would put a bunch of poor people to work growing their own food, and some extra they could sell to buy other supplies. It was close to a self-supporting enterprise, costing a lot less than any other form of welfare.

Today, that idea would be expanded beyond agriculture. Thus while the town works for “minimum wage”, for private companies, minimum wage is worth a lot more, because the expenses are very low. Most of the money is saved on the “back end” instead of the “front end”. There is little or no county or State control involved, except kicking in amenities like a public library or services like garbage removal and fire protection.

It saves a heck of a lot of money, because otherwise all those people would be straining city services, and creating lots of expenses in the cities. So this shoots for a win-win situation.


54 posted on 04/13/2010 8:07:42 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Woebama

I’m sorry to hear that. I hope you find something soon.

My Wife and I are barely keeping our noses above water, and the way things are going at work here, I don’t know if I’ll have a job in 6 months. I’ve been looking diligently for the last three months, but the only positions open are either for Doctors, over the road truck drivers or commission-only salesmen. There’s no way I could take a low wage job and not fall completely behind on my mortgage and loans.

If I lose my job, we’re sunk.


55 posted on 04/13/2010 8:11:38 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Arrogant, stupid and treasonous is no way to go through life, Barack.)
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To: carton253
Welcome to FR, but taking shots at long established Freepers isn't the way to begin your journey.

Long-established Freepers can laugh at somebody's sincere comments and call them drivel and newbies can't respond?

56 posted on 04/13/2010 8:12:46 AM PDT by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: carton253; Megan D

Consider yourself literarily ‘smacked’ for you insolence Megan.

Enjoy your stay at the FR.


58 posted on 04/13/2010 8:14:43 AM PDT by DrymChaser (It's amateur hour at the White House, unfortunately it means Curtains for America.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

Keep the job. I’ve been having to take salaried sales positions, but low salaries. Very tough out there.


59 posted on 04/13/2010 8:15:19 AM PDT by Woebama
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To: Megan D
I worked out daily if not twice a day. I took great care of my appearance to look beautiful. The men came after me. I could have had the hot man with no career skills. I made a choice to turn them down for the geeky guy who had the potential to make six figures

You sound like a very shallow person to me.


60 posted on 04/13/2010 8:16:22 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Arrogant, stupid and treasonous is no way to go through life, Barack.)
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