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New Bio of Executed WWII Pastor/Spy Reveals U.S. Influence (Bonhoeffer)
Fox News ^ | 4/9/2010 | Lauren Green

Posted on 04/10/2010 7:27:10 AM PDT by AngieGal

On April 9, 1945, 65 years ago today, just a few weeks before an allied offensive brought Germany to its knees and ended World War II in Europe, a young, mild-mannered Lutheran theologian was hanged by the Nazis in Flossenburg Concentration Camp.

His crime ... conspiring to assassinate Adolf Hitler.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a theological genius of the 20th century, is now emerging as a war hero, martyr and spy.

"What is so amazing about the story of Bonhoeffer is that he puts a completely different spin for us as Americans on World War II," says Eric Metaxas, author of "Bonhoeffer: Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy" (Thomas Nelson, 2010), the first biography in 40 years of this influential Christian. The book is being released on Friday, the anniversary of Bonhoeffer's execution.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1945; 194505; 19450509; assassinationplot; bonhoeffer; bookreview; dietrichbonhoeffer; espionage; heroes; nazi; pastor; wwii
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1 posted on 04/10/2010 7:27:10 AM PDT by AngieGal
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I had a professor in college who quoted Bonhoeffer a lot. Sadly, I do not remember any of those quotes. A case of remembering facts only long enough in order to regurgitate them on a test.


2 posted on 04/10/2010 7:33:29 AM PDT by Oratam
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A few years ago a friend shared a video with me about Bonhoeffer. I’d never heard of him before. A remarkable person.


3 posted on 04/10/2010 7:36:50 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: AngieGal
But the legacy that Bonhoeffer leaves future generations is of the untold dangers of idolizing politicians as messianic figures. Not just in the 1930s and '40s, but today as well.
4 posted on 04/10/2010 7:38:48 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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(Bonhoeffer) "There were many German churchgoers, whether they were Christians or not I don't know, but they went to church and somehow they made peace with the Nazis," Metaxas says. "They thought there was nothing wrong. Bonhoeffer had such a devoted faith he knew without any question that the Nazis were anti-Christian and they were evil, and if he didn't stand against them he would have to answer to God."

A lesson we can learn today. Way too many people have made peace with socialist, Marxist government

5 posted on 04/10/2010 7:39:35 AM PDT by Popman (Balsa wood: Obama Presidential timber)
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To: AngieGal
"Bonhoeffer was not a pacifist," Metaxas says. "And that will be news to a lot of people who think of Bonhoeffer as their hero, as some kind of pacifist."

Yep. That will be news to liberal Christians everywhere.

6 posted on 04/10/2010 7:43:40 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: Popman

Owing to the corrupting influence of the Second Great Awakening, American Christianity is overwhelmingly statist and Pelagian, clinging to the anti-Gospel idea that law has the ability to transform human nature.


7 posted on 04/10/2010 7:45:28 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: AngieGal; lightman

Lootrin Ping


8 posted on 04/10/2010 7:49:22 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (We were hoping for flying unicorns that crapped skittles. We got nationalized health care.)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Owing to the corrupting influence of the Second Great Awakening, American Christianity is overwhelmingly statist and Pelagian, clinging to the anti-Gospel idea that law has the ability to transform human nature.
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Statist and Pelagian?! From the Second Great Awakening?! Please. Only a myopic Calvinist with an axe to grind would lay THOSE things at the “feet” of the Second Great Awakening.


9 posted on 04/10/2010 7:54:04 AM PDT by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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I’m not a Calvinist, but Finney denied and railed against justification by faith, calling it “anti-nomianism.” In turn he taught Pelagianism. That is a theological fact. The four great cults of American Christianity — Mormonism, JW-ism, Seventh-day Adventism, and Christian Science — all came out of the SGA.

When you deny justification by faith, you destroy the basis for Christian liberty and you embrace the humanistic idea that we can pass laws and do the right things in order to cure our own sin.


10 posted on 04/10/2010 8:00:26 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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corrupting influence of the Second Great Awakening

Wow, That's news to me..........and probably news to about everyone else as well.

I would agree the Second Great Awakening transformed America by inspiring large amounts of social activism including the foundations of the abolition movement, but it wasn't a statist nature and certainly didn't think "laws" transformed people lives but by transformation by the Gospel of Jesus Christ

11 posted on 04/10/2010 8:07:48 AM PDT by Popman (Balsa wood: Obama Presidential timber)
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God has granted American Christianity no Reformation. He has given it strong revivalist preachers, churchmen and theologians, but no Reformation of the church of Jesus Christ by the Word of God....American theology and the American church as a whole have never been able to understand the meaning of 'criticism' by the Word of God and all that signifies. Right to the last they do not understand that God's 'criticism' touches even religion, the Christianity of the church and the sanctification of Christians, and that God has founded his church beyond religion and beyond ethics....In American theology, Christianity is still essentially religion and ethics....Because of this the person and work of Christ must, for theology, sink into the background and in the long run remain misunderstood, because it is not recognized as the sole ground of radical judgment and radical forgiveness. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer, "Protestantism without the Reformation."

12 posted on 04/10/2010 8:07:58 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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The four great cults of American Christianity — Mormonism, JW-ism, Seventh-day Adventism, and Christian Science — all came out of the SGA.

Though true, isn't that like blaming dad because his teenager son got drunk because his dad left the open bottle in plain site.

13 posted on 04/10/2010 8:12:05 AM PDT by Popman (Balsa wood: Obama Presidential timber)
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Have you read, for instance, Horton's book Christless Christianity? The SGA resulted from the rejection of the Protestant doctrine of justification by faith, and the embrace of neo-Pelagianism as taught by Charles Finney. Some gems from Finney:
"There can be no justification in a legal or forensic sense, but upon the ground of universal, perfect, and uninterrupted obedience to law. This is of course denied by those who hold that gospel justification, or the justification of penitent sinners, is of the nature of a forensic or judicial justification. They hold to the legal maxim, that what a man does by another he does by himself, and therefore the law regards Christ's obedience as ours, on the ground that He obeyed for us [Systematic Theology, 362].

Finney denied original sin and thus was a Pelagian:

"Moral depravity cannot consist in any attribute of nature or constitution, nor in any lapsed or fallen state of nature. . . . Moral depravity, as I use the term, does not consist in, nor imply a sinful nature, in the sense that the human soul is sinful in itself. It is not a constitutional sinfulness" [Systematic Theology, 245].

Denying justification by faith (aka Protestantism) and preaching that we are only justified by keeping the Law (aka Pelagianism):

Whenever he sins, he must, for the time being, cease to be holy. This is self-evident. Whenever he sins, he must be condemned; he must incur the penalty of the law of God ... If it be said that the precept is still binding upon him, but that with respect to the Christian, the penalty is forever set aside, or abrogated, I reply, that to abrogate the penalty is to repeal the precept, for a precept without penalty is no law. It is only counsel or advice. The Christian, therefore, is justified no longer than he obeys.[Systematic Theology, p. 46].

If one believes the law has the power to solve human ills, then one must necessarily believe in the growth and power of the state. It is humanism. Consider, for instance, the following

"Paul uses the term eleutheria, freedom, or one of its cognates frequently throughout his writings, some twenty-nine times in all—only a little less often than soteria, salvation, and its allied terms."
--Robert Banks, Paul's Idea of Community.

14 posted on 04/10/2010 8:27:24 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: AngieGal

For reference:

Please note documentary on Bonhoeffer that aired on (of all places) PBS.
IIRC, it was a documentary with multi-national origin (including Canada).

I was shocked at how respectful the documentary was of Bonhoeffer’s
Christianity...I figured anything on PBS would just portray him as
some sort of secular moralist.

Free Republic posts on Bonhoeffer:
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/bonhoeffer/index

Thread on the documentary on Bonhoeffer (aired on PBS):
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1572493/posts

PBS website for the documentary:
http://www.pbs.org/bonhoeffer/


15 posted on 04/10/2010 8:30:44 AM PDT by VOA
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I am a former SDA, and as a former SDA, I have had to study the basis of where the Seventh-day Adventists got their doctrines. Their doctrines are firmly rooted in the Pelagian teachings of the SGA. Many Christians today are deceived into joining Seventh-day Adventism because much of so-called “mainstream” Evangelicalism teaches the un-Biblical foundations of Seventh-day Adventist theology.


16 posted on 04/10/2010 8:31:09 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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...But the legacy that Bonhoeffer leaves future generations is of the untold dangers of idolizing politicians as messianic figures. Not just in the 1930s and '40s, but today as well.

"It's a deep temptation within us," says Metaxas. "We need to guard against it and we need to know that it can lead to our ruin. Germany was led over the cliff, and there were many good people who were totally deluded."

There can be no doubt but that the worshipful adulation of our current president is abomination to the one true God. No man can long withstand being worshipped. That this mentally diseased rogue is treated as a god bodes horror for our nation.

17 posted on 04/10/2010 8:34:14 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: Thane_Banquo; patriot preacher
God has granted American Christianity no Reformation. He has given it strong revivalist preachers, churchmen and theologians, but no Reformation of the church of Jesus Christ by the Word of God....American theology and the American church as a whole have never been able to understand the meaning of 'criticism' by the Word of God and all that signifies. Right to the last they do not understand that God's 'criticism' touches even religion, the Christianity of the church and the sanctification of Christians, and that God has founded his church beyond religion and beyond ethics....In American theology, Christianity is still essentially religion and ethics....Because of this the person and work of Christ must, for theology, sink into the background and in the long run remain misunderstood, because it is not recognized as the sole ground of radical judgment and radical forgiveness. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer, "Protestantism without the Reformation."

Well, we know one thing about this fellow Dietrich Bonhoeffer, he may have been a hero, but he wasn't much of a historian where American Church life is concerned.

Early Methodism was ALL about Justification by Faith and a total, real reformation of both outward and inward behavior and character.

Major revivals happend from before, during, and after the birth of this nation.

History records that George Whitefield would preach to massive outdoor congregrations of 40,000 people and he did this up and down the east coast in many of the colonies, in fact, his preaching and the resultant spiritual revival is credited by many historians as being one of the prime reasons there was a revolution.

Furthermore, the Methodist Itinerant preachers led similiar Spiritual Revivals for many decades after the Revolution of '76.

And finally, all I've done is talk about the Methodists, the Baptists, and most of the Protestant denominations of that time frame all were preaching the same general gospel and having their own revivals.

Now if Bonhoeffer was talking about a narrow time-frame of American History, I could see the point, but he wasn't. He made quite the declarative, and might I say, ignorant statement.
18 posted on 04/10/2010 8:40:49 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Thane_Banquo; patriot preacher

Oh, and btw, even the calvinistic protestant churches, were preaching much the same “Justification by Faith” and having Holy-Spirit led revivals leading to the change of Men’s Hearts and Lives from the Inside out by the Power of God, not men’s works.


19 posted on 04/10/2010 8:43:45 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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Bonhoeffer attended Union TS in the 30’s. A better choice would have been Boston TS where King was soon to attend. Union was a hotbed of Marxism in the 30’s much as it remains today.


20 posted on 04/10/2010 8:54:19 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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