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To: betty boop
It seems to me verses in John clearly demonstrate that the Father and the Son are One, "in" one Godhead which also includes the Holy Spirit. There is one divine Substance which expresses as Three Persons.

Thank you for those excellent Scriptures from the Gospel of John, dearest sister in Christ! And thank you for your beautiful insights and testimony!

It seems to me that some mortals want to apply the laws of logic to God, e.g. the Law of Identity or the Law of the Excluded Middle --- as if God, the Creator of such laws, is restricted by His own Creation.

Man is not the measure of God.

501 posted on 04/09/2010 10:16:56 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; xzins; P-Marlowe; betty boop; Buggman
It seems to me that some mortals want to apply the laws of logic to God, e.g. the Law of Identity or the Law of the Excluded Middle --- as if God, the Creator of such laws, is restricted by His own Creation.

I think it's worth noting that when it really mattered He CHOSE to abide by the exact laws that He set for us.

He DID NOT need to become fully Man through the Incarnation.

He DID NOT have to suffer and die on His Cross.

He DID NOT have to be Resurrected and Ascend into Heaven.

He could have saved mankind WITHOUT any of these things, He CHOSE not to.

He CHOSE to be fully Man and sacrifice Himself out of His love for us.

505 posted on 04/09/2010 10:27:04 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Alamo-Girl; wagglebee; Quix; xzins; Buggman; P-Marlowe; metmom; Eagle Eye; kosta50; spunkets
It seems to me that some mortals want to apply the laws of logic to God, e.g. the Law of Identity or the Law of the Excluded Middle — as if God, the Creator of such laws, is restricted by His own Creation.

Indeed and so true, dearest sister in Christ. And it's even worse than that — some use a sort of mindless "cookie-cutter logic," for example: "God cannot be tempted by evil, but Jesus Christ was; therefore, Jesus Christ is not God."

It seems to me to apply logic and the laws of nature to God — i.e., to the Source whereby they came into existence — is to falsify the divine character from the get-go. Ineluctably, such a maneuver "makes man the measure" of God.

There is no way for man to "measure" the I Am That I Am — pure self-sufficient eternal Being. It seems to me we humans cannot even conceptualize such a thing, let alone make it subject to the ordinary rules we understand from our purely human experience.

Thank you ever so much for your most perceptive observation, dearest sister in Christ!

507 posted on 04/09/2010 11:37:33 AM PDT by betty boop (The personal is not the public's business. See: the Ninth Amendment.)
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