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To: Alamo-Girl; wagglebee; Quix; xzins; Buggman; P-Marlowe; metmom; Eagle Eye; kosta50; spunkets
It seems to me that some mortals want to apply the laws of logic to God, e.g. the Law of Identity or the Law of the Excluded Middle — as if God, the Creator of such laws, is restricted by His own Creation.

Indeed and so true, dearest sister in Christ. And it's even worse than that — some use a sort of mindless "cookie-cutter logic," for example: "God cannot be tempted by evil, but Jesus Christ was; therefore, Jesus Christ is not God."

It seems to me to apply logic and the laws of nature to God — i.e., to the Source whereby they came into existence — is to falsify the divine character from the get-go. Ineluctably, such a maneuver "makes man the measure" of God.

There is no way for man to "measure" the I Am That I Am — pure self-sufficient eternal Being. It seems to me we humans cannot even conceptualize such a thing, let alone make it subject to the ordinary rules we understand from our purely human experience.

Thank you ever so much for your most perceptive observation, dearest sister in Christ!

507 posted on 04/09/2010 11:37:33 AM PDT by betty boop (The personal is not the public's business. See: the Ninth Amendment.)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; wagglebee; Buggman; blue-duncan; P-Marlowe; Eagle Eye

May I add the words on Trinity of the blessed Thomas a Kempis to our reflection. See the third paragraph, especially.

IMITATING CHRIST AND DESPISING ALL VANITIES ON EARTH
HE WHO follows Me, walks not in darkness,” says the Lord.[1] By these words of Christ we are advised to imitate His life and habits, if we wish to be truly enlightened and free from all blindness of heart. Let our chief effort, therefore, be to study the life of Jesus Christ.

The teaching of Christ is more excellent than all the advice of the saints, and he who has His spirit will find in it a hidden manna. Now, there are many who hear the Gospel often but care little for it because they have not the spirit of Christ. Yet whoever wishes to understand fully the words of Christ must try to pattern his whole life on that of Christ.

What good does it do to speak learnedly about the Trinity if, lacking humility, you displease the Trinity? Indeed it is not learning that makes a man holy and just, but a virtuous life makes him pleasing to God. I would rather feel contrition than know how to define it. For what would it profit us to know the whole Bible by heart and the principles of all the philosophers if we live without grace and the love of God? Vanity of vanities and all is vanity, except to love God and serve Him alone.

This is the greatest wisdom — to seek the kingdom of heaven through contempt of the world. It is vanity, therefore, to seek and trust in riches that perish. It is vanity also to court honor and to be puffed up with pride. It is vanity to follow the lusts of the body and to desire things for which severe punishment later must come. It is vanity to wish for long life and to care little about a well-spent life. It is vanity to be concerned with the present only and not to make provision for things to come. It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides.

Often recall the proverb: “The eye is not satisfied with seeing nor the ear filled with hearing.”[2] Try, moreover, to turn your heart from the love of things visible and bring yourself to things invisible. For they who follow their own evil passions stain their consciences and lose the grace of God.


508 posted on 04/09/2010 11:42:18 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: betty boop
It seems to me to apply logic and the laws of nature to God — i.e., to the Source whereby they came into existence — is to falsify the divine character from the get-go. Ineluctably, such a maneuver "makes man the measure" of God.

There is no way for man to "measure" the I Am That I Am — pure self-sufficient eternal Being. It seems to me we humans cannot even conceptualize such a thing, let alone make it subject to the ordinary rules we understand from our purely human experience.

Precisely so! Thank you so very much for your beautiful essay-post, dearest sister in Christ!

519 posted on 04/09/2010 8:48:36 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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