“You’re making a distinction without a difference. An infant is just as much a human being as a fetus.”
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean or how it is germane to the discussion. I certainly would regard an infant a human being, because it is born. All human beings are born. A fetus is not born and is not regarded as a human being either legally or Biblically. Notice that all ages are from the date of birth, not conception.
An infant has been born, and fetus has not. I think even you can understand that.
I am opposed to abortion and am very alarmed by those who claim to be opposed to it but use lies and obfuscation to promote their views, because it has the opposite result and cancels the efforts of those of use who honestly oppose abortion.
Hank
And this is the crux of the matter. The pro-abortion side has for years argued that the fetus is not a human being, the very argument you are using here.
A fetus is indeed a human being. It is living and growing and genetically the baby's DNA identifies it as a human being.
If you call the fetus not human, you are left with two problems. One is what IS it then? A dog? A cow? A fish? It doesn't magically turn into a human being upon passage through the birth canal.
The other is that it devalues the life and worth of the fetus. Murder is the killing of another human being. By declaring it *not human* then aborting it is not murder and can be justified legally.
While you keep saying that you oppose abortion, every argument you've been using is from the hard left pro-choice side.
“An infant has been born, and fetus has not. I think even you can understand that.”
The Bible speaks several places in regards to the sanctity of the womb. Psalm 139:13 says:
“For thou didst form my inward parts, thou didst knit me together in my mother’s womb.”
“An infant has been born, and fetus has not. I think even you can understand that.”
God tells Isaiah that He formed him from the womb too:
Isaiah 44:24: Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the LORD, who made all things, who stretched out the heavens alone, who spread out the earth — Who was with me?
Biblically, that is not so.
The story of Jesus' birth is also a story of John Batist's birth. John leapt in his mother's womb when Mary visited Elizabeth. John is clearly shown reacting as a sentient, spiritual being. You do greatly err.
Luke 1: 41 When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished!"
Another emotion based argument that ignore all fact to cling to dogma.
Even if we accept your contention, a fetus, left alone becomes life. By surgically intervening via abortion, you prevent that life from being achieved. Thus even using your emotion based context, Abortion is murder.
And I know what your simplistic mind is going to come up with next. "Well then birth control is murder".
No it is not.
The egg, or the sperm, cannot become life until they combine. By preventing that combination, you prevent the potential for life from being created. Thus until conception the potential to become life does not exist. After conception it does.
After conception, unless you surgically intervene via abortion, the fetus will become, even under your warped context, life. Thus even if you accept your assumptions about when life starts, you must accept the fact that abortion is murder.
If you want me to take your posting seriously you will have to try actually addressing the argument I made in a calm, rational fashion not just scream you next set of per-programmed slogans in order to avoid having to address the facts rationally.