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A fetus is not born and is not regarded as a human being either legally or Biblically. Notice that all ages are from the date of birth, not conception.

Biblically, that is not so.

The story of Jesus' birth is also a story of John Batist's birth. John leapt in his mother's womb when Mary visited Elizabeth. John is clearly shown reacting as a sentient, spiritual being. You do greatly err.

Luke 1: 41 When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished!"

ME: "A fetus is not born and is not regarded as a human being either legally or Biblically. Notice that all ages are from the date of birth, not conception."

"Biblically, that is not so."

"The story of Jesus' birth is also a story of John Batist's birth. John leapt in his mother's womb when Mary visited Elizabeth. John is clearly shown reacting as a sentient, spiritual being. You do greatly err."

Then quoted Luke 1:41

It does not say the babe is a human being. It is unborn, not a baby yet. Unborn babies move all the time. Just because something moves it does not make it a human being.

If the unborn are already human being, why isn't age marked from conception and not birth.

Gen.12:12 "And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised ..."

And every other reference to cirmcision's date is the same. Eight days, not eight days and nine months.

Since you like to quote Scripture:

In the Bible the penalty for murder is death, as well as for a great many other wrongs. The death penalty is prescribed for all the following:

Worshipping other gods [Exodus 22:24, Deut. 13:1-5, 20-22]
Idolatry [Deut.. 17:2-7]
Blaspheming [Lev. 24:10-16]
Violating Sabbath [Exodus 31:15, 35:2, Num. 15:32-36]
Dishonoring Parents [Exodus 21:15&17, Lev. 20:9, Deut. 21:18-20]
Murder [Exodus 21:12-14, Lev. 24:17, Num. 35:17, 30-33, Gen. 9:6]
Adultery & Fornication [Exodus 22:18, Lev. 20:17, Deut. 22:21-29]
Stealing [Josh 7:10-26]
False Witness [Deut. 19:15-21]
Kidnapping [Exodus 21:16]
Covetousness [Josh 7:10-26]

Causing a woman to loose an unborn child, however, did not bear the death penalty, because it was not considered murder, that is, it is not killing a human being. It is not even considered as sever as idolatry, or covetousness.

If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. (That is, a fine.) [Exodus 21:22]

Hank