"Biblically, that is not so."
"The story of Jesus' birth is also a story of John Batist's birth. John leapt in his mother's womb when Mary visited Elizabeth. John is clearly shown reacting as a sentient, spiritual being. You do greatly err."
Then quoted Luke 1:41
It does not say the babe is a human being. It is unborn, not a baby yet. Unborn babies move all the time. Just because something moves it does not make it a human being.
If the unborn are already human being, why isn't age marked from conception and not birth.
Gen.12:12 "And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised ..."
And every other reference to cirmcision's date is the same. Eight days, not eight days and nine months.
Since you like to quote Scripture:
In the Bible the penalty for murder is death, as well as for a great many other wrongs. The death penalty is prescribed for all the following:
Worshipping other gods [Exodus 22:24, Deut. 13:1-5, 20-22]
Idolatry [Deut.. 17:2-7]
Blaspheming [Lev. 24:10-16]
Violating Sabbath [Exodus 31:15, 35:2, Num. 15:32-36]
Dishonoring Parents [Exodus 21:15&17, Lev. 20:9, Deut. 21:18-20]
Murder [Exodus 21:12-14, Lev. 24:17, Num. 35:17, 30-33, Gen. 9:6]
Adultery & Fornication [Exodus 22:18, Lev. 20:17, Deut. 22:21-29]
Stealing [Josh 7:10-26]
False Witness [Deut. 19:15-21]
Kidnapping [Exodus 21:16]
Covetousness [Josh 7:10-26]
Causing a woman to loose an unborn child, however, did not bear the death penalty, because it was not considered murder, that is, it is not killing a human being. It is not even considered as sever as idolatry, or covetousness.
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. (That is, a fine.) [Exodus 21:22]
Hank
Then what EXACTLY makes it a human being?
If a baby IS NOT a human being then why have you previously said that you are opposed to killing it? (Though you have no interest in actually ending abortion.)
Causing a woman to loose an unborn child, however, did not bear the death penalty, because it was not considered murder, that is, it is not killing a human being. It is not even considered as sever [sic] as idolatry, or covetousness.
Is this one of the new talking points that Zero has put out for pro-abortion trolls?
Show us from Scripture where it says that abortion IS NOT a serious offense. Show us where it distinguishes abortion from murder.
Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.
Not so, Hank.
The scripture says it "leapt with JOY." The joy was because it was in the presence of the expectant Mother of the Lord, who was carrying Jesus at the time.
In short, the BABY in her womb had awareness, realization, and spirituality. These are all characteristics of humans.
Fully human.
Age is marked from availability to be marked. They aren't likely to circumcize in utero, are they?
Age being counted from birth is no indication whatsoever of anything other than time of birth. No different than your counting the years since you graduated from high school. That doesn't prove you were an unintelligent mass before that point.
So far as the death penalty for causing an abortion, again you are wrong. The entire scripture says:
Exodust 21: 22 "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
The issue of premature birth with or without injury refers to THE CHILD. Otherwise, it makes no sense. If she's giving birth, OF COURSE, she is still OK. If you cause injury to the child, then it's "life for life....eye for eye", etc.
The law regarding deaths of already born persons is given elsewhere (numbers 35, for example)
This passage is specifically targeted at the unique case of a pregnant woman and the child being carried by her. If the woman is stricken and dies, it is covered under other law, as mentioned, regarding accidental and intentional taking of life.
Again, you greatly err. John, Jeremiah, Jesus, Job are all mentioned biblically from their in utero days and all are always regarded as fully human. How could it be otherwise, really, when you think about it?