Posted on 04/01/2010 12:35:40 PM PDT by topher
The double standard sickens me.
I’m shocked the ratio is that close. It’s one thing for bureaucrats to abuse people, even children. It is far more shocking and disturbing when the clergy does it.
I would think the ratio would be 1000/1 or greater.
If not, I don't know whay you said it.
And if so, you're the only one I know of in this forum who holds that opinion.
And you’re biased.
“One would hope that members of the Body of Christ would do better than they have ... certainly at least as well as public schools at discipling those that are caught. Shuffling people around is not good enough. Excommunication and firing are a minimum.”
The repetition of complaints about the church NOW are REPETTIVE... as the writer in this article points out the NEW facts are
“Weigel observes that priestly sex abuse is “a phenomenon that spiked between the mid-1960s and the mid-1980s but seems to have virtually disappeared,” and that in recent years the Church has gone to great lengths to punish and remove priestly predators and to protect children. The result of these measures is that “six credible cases of clerical sexual abuse in 2009 were reported in the U.S. bishops’ annual audit, in a Church of some 65,000,000 members.”
Yet your posts act like this is still an ongoing problem as it was decades ago. THAT is posting the same Mantra over and over...and that then becomes catholic “bashing’ because it serves no helpful purpose EXCEPT to reiterate the failures of the church in the past...to act like you are JUST saying that priests should not abuese children is disingenuous at best.
Your comment” the hierarchy does have some things to answer for”...Well, they have for the last 4 decades. But that is not good enough...lets just rehash the history prior to the the changes the church has made and call it your “wanting quicker action”
the facts, you ask?...read the article for “the facts” that you blythely ignore about the changes made and the issue actively and effectively addressed.
as for comparing the Catholic church problems to the schools or other churches, organizations...That is NOT dimishing bad behavior. it is a response to the ONLY FOCUSING on the Catholic church...And that IS what you do..when you refer to excommunication and also focus on the Church’s problems, while never mentioning that this is a vast problem.
I sure haven’t seen you post anything of such outrage about anyone else. You just ‘join the NY Times party” when they release another article complaining about the church.
I would have more respect for someone who is at least honest in your vitriole and not demur about “Well, i’m not asking the Pope to resign....”
I will expect you at the next thread that attempts to defend the changes the Catholic church has made...of course, those don’t count.
No, they just put them on indefinite paid leave while they “investigate” the claim so the union member is able to have a nice long paid vacation.
>> That is NOT dimishing bad behavior. it is a response to the ONLY FOCUSING on the Catholic church...And that IS what you do..when you refer to excommunication and also focus on the Church’s problems, while never mentioning that this is a vast problem. I sure haven’t seen you post anything of such outrage about anyone else. You just ‘join the NY Times party” when they release another article complaining about the church.
Should I not have greater outrage for abuse carried out by in the name of Christ than I do for abuse by your average scumbag? A child abuser harms a child. A child abuser involved with the church harms a child, and tarnishes the name of Christ and His followers. When combined with the criminality, the heresy of the latter is certainly a greater problem than just the criminality of the former. Greater outrage is warranted.
>> I will expect you at the next thread that attempts to defend the changes the Catholic church has made...of course, those don’t count.
On the contrary, earlier today, in a different thread, I spoke in favor of the pope’s plans to excommunicate abusers.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2484745/posts?page=20#20
I can give credit when due, as well as criticism when due.
SnakeDoc
yeah against the molestation of minors no matter who commits the crime
EXCEEDINGLY SOBERING.
Dreadful.
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The author of this article on abuse was named Shakeshaft, and today is April 1st. Coincidence?
I read the post you referred to. it was a fair post.
I appreciate your giving credit where credit is due and responding to my post in a debate form.
thank you.
I will continue to read your posts and responses.
No one is saying they do. That's not the point of the article. Read the first sentence again.
“When it happens at school they either are fired and or go to jail.”
Around here, the male teachers usually don’t “get caught” until they get caught with kiddie pr0n, then it all comes out. The few that get caught touching kids are caught when a victim goes to authorities and it makes the papers. Frequently the record of the caught teacher shows several transfers from school to school or district to district.
The public schools in the United States are the equivalent of the Church of England in the United States. Even the nonconformist must support it with his taxes.
What definition of “physical sexual abuse” was used in the study”
So the number of Catholics in America is about 65,000,000?
There are those who said that John Kerry "pretended" to be "Catholic" and was "secretly" Jewish to court both of these groups in the 2004 election.
There are about 1 billion Catholics worldwide. Countries like the Philippines, Latin America, etc. swell the number of Catholics worldwide.
The other Christian groups (Baptists, Methodists, Anglicans, etc) keep splintering. I believe there are about 60,000 different "other Christian denominations" in the US.
Admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
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