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As a federal employee, I say "Right on, Ben Stein!"
1 posted on 03/29/2010 9:55:51 AM PDT by Poundstone
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To: Poundstone

As a former state employee, I agree that they’re not all bad. But I certainly saw a bunch!!!


2 posted on 03/29/2010 9:57:47 AM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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read my tagline


3 posted on 03/29/2010 9:59:24 AM PDT by Jagman (End income inequality: cut gov worker pay!)
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Well, he is right about federal employes in general. The problem is that there are too many of them. Virtually every office is stuffed with too many employees.


4 posted on 03/29/2010 9:59:50 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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the assumption is that if a person is a government employee, then he or she is lazy and shiftless

The issue is not so much government employees, as it is unionized government employees, or in fact unionized employees of any sort. Unions take away the incentive to work because they make it impossible to fire unproductive employees.

5 posted on 03/29/2010 10:00:07 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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If Ben is saying that government employees have the same output as private enterprises, he is nuts. It is not about the people, it is about the system and the systematic incentives to perform at optimum levels of efficiency. Government simply does not have the capability to operate as efficiently over time as a private organization built on profit generation.


7 posted on 03/29/2010 10:01:44 AM PDT by ilgipper
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I’ve worked for the Federal government most of my adult life - first as an Army officer, then as a Federal law enforcement officer, and now in the civil service.

I also worked in the private sector for a few years, so I’ve got experience in both sides.

There’s just as many lazy people in the private sector as in the government.

The difference is private sector workers get fired from one job and then simply move to another private sector job. They never leave the private sector or start their own businesses. It’s harder (but certainly not impossible) to fire a lazy government worker. Typically, they just get transferred to where they can do the least amount of damage.


8 posted on 03/29/2010 10:02:06 AM PDT by Terabitten ("Don't retreat. RELOAD!!" -Sarah Palin)
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As a fed I agree to a great extent though sadly there are those who feed the stereotype as well...
9 posted on 03/29/2010 10:02:07 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Palin bashers on freerepublic, like a fart in Church...)
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Oh, since you’re a fed, you look the other way, huh?

It must be terribly hard on you, what with the media and the party in control CONSTANTLY demonizing you? And the lifelong beneifits have got to be a grind too.

And learn to excerpt, liberal.


11 posted on 03/29/2010 10:02:23 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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As a taxpayer who has dealt with too many government employees enforcing stupid rules I say "BS".

No doubt there a some good people working in the government but I find government all too often the preferred employer of activist liberal socialist control freaks who delight in saying "I'm only doing my job " as they hassle hard-working American citizens while ignoring the illegals and real terrorists who will fight back.

12 posted on 03/29/2010 10:02:41 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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From personal experience, I can tell you nobody wastes money and talent as well as government does.

There are good people in government. Most of them can’t do good work for one reason or another. Bureaucracy rules are usually it, or funding to their particular area only covers people, not equipment.

But government has become its own stumbling block. It’s just a leviathan and it needs to be pared down. Processes and procedures are not optimized and people wind up being very inefficient and doing “work” for the sake of doing work. Can’t do real work, have too much busywork to do.

And people get conditioned to think this is just how things are in government, and they get used to it as how ‘normal’ government operates.


13 posted on 03/29/2010 10:02:45 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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Curious statement.

I would never consider a FIREMAN a “Bureaucrat”

I would never consider a POLICEMAN a “Bureaucrat”

I would never consider a PROSECUTOR or PRISON GUARD a “Bureaucrat”

I would never consider a DOCTOR or a NURSE at a VA hospital a “Bureaucrat”

Keep trying Ben.

And learn to not get confused on your words in the future.


15 posted on 03/29/2010 10:03:53 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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CBS news, yawn. Oh, the poor babies with taxpayer-paid salaries and benefits.


16 posted on 03/29/2010 10:04:03 AM PDT by darkangel82 (I don't have a superiority complex, I'm just better than you.)
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Apparently Ben has never had to deal with the fine folks at the GSA on a regular basis.

Don't know anyone who confuses a CIA field officer or a fire fighter with a bureaucrat.

17 posted on 03/29/2010 10:06:08 AM PDT by conservonator (Former government employee - USMC)
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What do you produce, create or make?


21 posted on 03/29/2010 10:09:50 AM PDT by listenhillary (Capitalism = billions raised from poverty, Socialism = billions reduced to starvation)
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Someone slip Stein some Kool-aid?

As an ex-federal employee I can sort of agree with Stein, but regardless there are at least 100% more govt employees than the workloading can justify. This means lots of spare time and untasked workers. However if you are talking about rank-and-file employees his comments are acceptable. But he doesn’t address the critical problem with govt “managers”. Govt agencies have become so corrupted that one can say with little doubt that the managerial types are to a man stupid and incompetent with the highest grades, the SESes, being the most corrupt and incompetent of the bunch. Replace govt managers with cardboard cutouts and the situation would automatically improve as the workers wouldn’t be interfered with by morons constantly.

Another issue is internal offices like “quality control” or “program management” or “configurartion management” which are just pointless do nothing areas that serve absolutely no purpose except to provide good paying jobs for people who couldn’t serve french fries.


23 posted on 03/29/2010 10:11:00 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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While I agree he’s right to not paint all Fed employees with the same brush, there is without a doubt validity to the statement that the government is bloated.

Too many people doing absolutely nothing.


25 posted on 03/29/2010 10:13:19 AM PDT by woweeitsme
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Uh, right.

The fact is, the size of the bureaucracy is ridiculous. The monster needs to be shrunk.

I have a dear relative who used to be a bureaucrat. She was, like you I am sure, one who wisely used the taxpayer’s dollars.

But she agrees: the waste and fraud were rampant.

We can’t say EVERY SINGLE fed employee is a leech. But too many are—and enough that we need to cut back on their numbers.


28 posted on 03/29/2010 10:17:06 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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I worked as a civilian federal employee with the DOD back about 10 years as a contract auditor. I can honestly say there are some very dedicated employees that actually earn their pay and even take work home in the evening. However, there are also quite a few people that are there just to do the minimum work they can get by with, and collect a paycheck. These were joking referred to at “gaters” as in, “They serve their eight and hit the gate.” The difference between government and the private sector is that the “gaters” would quickly be show the door in the private sector. However, it is dang near impossible to get rid of a government employee once they complete their probationary period. So if an employee manages to keep their nose clean for a year, they are pretty much guaranteed a lift time job with the federal government.
33 posted on 03/29/2010 10:19:27 AM PDT by apillar
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I could not find any recent comparable numbers for the US but these seem to tell a tale:

“Staff working in the private sector took an average of 6.4 days off last year, down from 7.2 days the previous year, while absence rates among public workers only fell marginally, from 9.8 to 9.7 days.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5863545/Private-sector-workers-taking-fewer-sick-days.html

And there was another blow for public sector workers when it was revealed the average civil servant takes 11 sick days a year — almost double the rate of absence in the private sector.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/sick-leave-in-public-service-is-twice-the-rate-of-private-sector-1922474.html


35 posted on 03/29/2010 10:29:27 AM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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The ones that I used to supervise were mostly lazy and stuck in molasses. Deadlines were constantly being shifted downstream. One or two diligent ones picked up the slack to make the place barely function.


37 posted on 03/29/2010 10:34:57 AM PDT by qwertypie
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