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To: drpix

When was the last time ANYBODY was charged with “seditious conspiracy?”

I don’t know anything about these people, and they may be very bad news and deserve everything they get. But Muslim groups overtly call for the overthrow of our government, overtly train people in guerrilla tactics, and blatantly remain in touch with and conspire with foreign groups. Things like the Fort Hood shootings show the actual results of this, not just “planning stages” that they could argue were purely theoretical.

And when they do charge them - such as that group of black Muslim converts who were busy training for jihad in Oregon (or was it WA?) - they are never charged with “seditious conspiracy,” but simply with crimes of a non-political nature, even though they are blatantly political.

Certainly, if these people were indeed doing what they are said to have been doing, they deserve it; but many others deserve these charges and never get them, even after they have actually killed people, because they are protected by being Muslims (or leftists, such as Bill Ayers and his hideous wife).


248 posted on 03/29/2010 9:22:56 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius
-- When was the last time ANYBODY was charged with "seditious conspiracy?" --

I'm looking for crime statistics right now.

18 USC 2384 is colloquially known as "conspiracy to levy war against the US," and on its face, a conspiracy to blow up local cops does NOT meet the element of "against the US."

Meanwhile, check out the sister offenses, 18 USC 2383 and 18 USC 2385.

Title 18, Chapter 115 - Treason, Sedition, and Subversive Activities

Sec. 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof -

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

Several FALN members were convicted of seditious conspiracy on 18 February 1981. See Testimony of Gilbert G. Gallegos, National President, Grand Lodge, Fraternal Order of Police, on the offer of clemency by President William Jefferson Clinton to jailed members of the Puerto Rican terrorist organization, the Armed Forces of National Liberation (Spanish initials: FALN) before the Senate Committee on the Judiciary and the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, Subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere, Peace Corps, Narcotics and Terrorism.

http://www.lawandsecurity.org/publications/TTRCComplete.pdf is an interesting summary of terrorism charges and convictions

My efforts at finding charging/conviction statistics are frustrating, so at this point I'm going to guess that 18 USC 2384 charges are very uncommon, as in they are filed at a rate of less than 1 per year. Other charges are more common, such as hundreds per year of material support for terrorism.

300 posted on 03/29/2010 10:15:03 AM PDT by Cboldt
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