Posted on 03/27/2010 11:13:42 PM PDT by Chet 99
Updated March 25, 2010
Obamacare Rips Doctor-Patient Relationship Apart
By C.L. Gray, M.D. - FOXNews.com
Unless this legislation is repealed and replaced with fiscally responsible, patient-centered policy, the relationship between patients and their physicians will never be the same.
Ensnared by mountains of detail and overwhelmed by months of endless rhetoric, America never fully understood the profound historical context of the current health care debate. The untold story is that on Tuesday, with the stroke of a pen, President Obama ushered America into an age of post-Hippocratic medicine. Unless this legislation is repealed and replaced with fiscally responsible, patient-centered policy, the relationship between patients and their physicians will never be the same.
With disturbing consistency, the sweep of history reveals that physicians have served one of only two possible roles in society—there is no third alternative. Physicians either follow Hippocrates, remaining free to serve the well-being of the individual patient, or they follow Plato and become servants of the State, compelled to guard the “greater good” of society. This is the battle of our time.
Government compassion sounds so noble, but we cannot escape the fact that whoever pays holds the power to choose. It is here that Washington’s utopian plan falls short. When Washington gains control over the American health care dollar, physicians become employees of the State. When the “collective good” trumps the well-being of the individual patient, the physician’ loyalties become divided.
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They better not cap the nurses salaries, those are the people really doing the patient care. The patients would be in a world of hurt without us.
I am aware of what you have written in your post though certainly not understanding the deeper workings of it all, but it doesn’t take much to connect the dots and know there are really bad days ahead.
I follow international political moves etc. and quite frankly have not seen a time where so many nations are emboldened the way they are now...taking risks that prior to Obama would not have even been taken and considering them would have been close to their chests. But today it is openly done..and much of the time in our faces!
Yes, if we renig on debt... China can come in and claim the properties....many of which are industrial/manufacturing. The fact people are even looking and discussing this possibility should be a serious headsup to all in our country.
WEll, private practice MDs have served as a test bed for salary/labor caps for decades. THeir reimbursements, originally as they billed, were reduced dramatically in Jan. 1991 by draconian amounts (references to the past never mention the great cuts of Jan. 1991 in the surgical subspecialties...they have remained there since..a “L” shaped medical economic depression from which the specialitst have never recovered from. Salaries under new healthcare rules will be fixed as nurses and doctors become vassals administered by the SEIU union, a marxist union from the beginning...do a search on the history of the service employees service union and its marxist connections...it is the largest and most powerful union in the US.
And with the presenting of a birth cert. this would all be nullified. Betcha I’m he only one whose thought of that,,the courts sure as hell won’t.
Yes. Energy policies are not consistent with supporting a population of 300 million people. A sustainable population is very much in mind, if not articulated with actual numbers by the administration. In UK, an MP has publicly articulated that UK must, to be sustainable, shed mort than two thirds of its population in then next few decades (are the Brits reassured?) In addition, on the mortuary side, perhaps “green” recycled egg-crate coffins are envisioned by the Obama administration czars, and not articulated yet, as a corollary saving to be associated by the healthcare bill?
The Obama administration is gearing up to create a religious desire for bicycle use...some commutes can be immediately envisioned as very long and sometimes impossible. Expect a higher death rate and dramatically slowed economy with bicycle use.
I have been trying to point that out for months. This will start to carry over into every other occupation too. It has already begun to spin off from HCR into other industries.
Democrats threaten companies hit hard by health care bill
Whose right is health care? Do you think it's yours?Congressman Anthony Weiner has said that health care is not a commodity. If it isn't a commodity then do doctors and nurses have rights? Assigning health care the status of a right makes health care workers slaves to that right who must serve it. On what ground could a health care worker refuse to provide their products and services since that would violate the patient's "basic human right to health care."
That is a direct loss of individual rights for health care providers. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set fees and hours or to change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge if taken to its logical extreme. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is created and given by the government to those it chooses to give it to. It is not a natural right possessed by each person protected by the Constitution from the government. It is also a collective/state right by virtue of the fact that it would supersede individual rights when the two come into conflict. How else would the government view a right that it created and administers vs. one it has no control over?
Of course it isn't stated in any bill that a patient's right to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights, as always, are adjudicated in the courts. The Health Care Reform bills simply establish the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the collective right.
Weiner’s view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it has to be described as being a right of the many instead of the one and superior due to that fact. Fascist because ultimately the sole authority for its creation and oversight is from one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the enforcer of this collective right as well. State and local jurisdictions will have little say about it.
Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of all of the Health Care Reform legislation in the House and Senate. Consider this section in the Senate version of the bill; the setting up of community watch dogs that will monitor citizens for various health parameters. Read pages 382 - 393.
TITLE I—QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS pps 382 - 393
So, even citizens themselves will be subject to Federal regulations on their behavior in order to fulfill the "human right" of universal health care. It isn't the individual's liberty that is being protected by that it is the government's control over its own health care system that is being guarded. How much clearer can it be that these bills abrogate the concept of individual rights? Someone will be checking your lifestyle, according to gov regulations, to be certain you serve the best interests of the "basic human right to health care" ie. "the Public Option."
HCR is not just about rationing care and wealth redistribution. It's about the end of individual rights as the corrosive effects of the new collectivist "basic human right to health care" spreads throughout the legal and political systems like a virus.
I think that the main purpose of Health Care Reform (HCR) is as a direct assault on individual liberties.
Health Care is a Liberty Issue
Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim DunkinAnother Stupid Argument: Heath Care is a Right
Obama's Authoritarian, Unconstitutional Health Care Proposal
To Americans Who Believe Healthcare is a Right
OBAMA: HEALTH CARE DESTROYING FREE SPEECH
Mandated health insurance threatens freedom, privacy
Bad Laws and Unintended Consequences, part 1.
Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights
(An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)
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I keep warning my wife this is coming and she has the same feeling as you.
I tell her they don't care. They simply want control. They don't care if millions of non-minorities die.
There are provisions in the bill to force medical, nursing schools and teaching hospitals to hire and train "staff to represent the local demographics". Almost every hospital I know is surrounded by and located in low income, mostly minority areas.
They are going to be forced to turn welfare mothers into nurses and the local street corner thugs into doctors. It's also about reparations. Obama and his handlers have been looking for this chance their whole lives.
Unless we rebel they will get their way.
IT IS 100% LIE
Nothing will change for most people until 2014 when Obama is in his second term. This is part of the brilliant plan. Through the November election the sheep will be repeatedly told, “See nothing has changed.” Once amnesty passes and 30 million new Democrats hit the voter rolls, plus their extended families come streaming in adding another 40-50 million new Democrats, the game will be finished.
This is the war of Obama and Harvard Law School against
American medicine.
Evil they are.
“Physicians either follow Hippocrates, remaining free to serve the well-being of the individual patient”
Funny thing, just about everyone I’ve debated with on universal healthcare has said that the Hippocratic oath requires doctors to give away their skills.
Becoming a doctor or nurse these days is expensive. My daughter has 10 months left to get her RN. She also has about $75K of student loans. A dentist she used to date had $200K in student loans. Health care professionals have to charge enough to pay off their education debts, and also establish their businesses and buy the tools of the trade. There isn’t anyway they can even break even under Obamacare.
Unless this legislation is repealed and replaced with fiscally responsible nothing will get better tic tic tic tic NOVEMBER,unless Obama&Co. change voting laws they wouldn’t do that would they?.
Doctors and H/C workers have not spoken out and loudly. They should have been the ones marching on Washington. When I told my doctor I was going, he didn’t have a clue, or he acted like he didn’t.
His office staff didn’t either. Like most of America, they are too busy to keep up.
Whoa, whoa, whoa..... how did this become an issue of race. I’m speaking as a health care professional, who just happens to be black, about the level of care that patients will get if there are NOT ENOUGH nurses or if the NURSES SALARIES were capped. That had nothing to do with race. AND wouldn’t it be a positive thing if welfare mothers were educated enough to be nurses. They would not be on the public dole.
The registered nurse goes through a very rigorous curriculum learning body systems, pathologies, treatments, medications and their actions and alterations in body systems. It is not just about handing out pills and changing bandages. The nurse is the one who saves you when the doctors are no where to be found.
And if local street corner thugs are turned into doctors, wouldn’t that be a positive thing if they gave up their old ways and contributed to society?
Wow, that beats my balance by about $50K, but I had tuition assistance due to my husband’s military service. My degree was well worth the money, though.
I, too know exactly how bad it will get under salary capping.
My post is NOT about race. It is about how the BILL makes it about race.
That had nothing to do with race. AND wouldn’t it be a positive thing if welfare mothers were educated enough to be nurses. They would not be on the public dole.
Again, I did not make it about race. Yes, it would be positive. The point again is that the bill forces med/nursing schools to make it about race by profiling both the neighborhoods and the students to find out how best to match the local population and the patients, with new med/nursing students. That goes far beyond affirmative action.
The registered nurse goes through a very rigorous curriculum learning body systems, pathologies, treatments, medications and their actions and alterations in body systems. It is not just about handing out pills and changing bandages. The nurse is the one who saves you when the doctors are no where to be found.
I know. My wife is nurse. I know exactly what nurses go through.
And if local street corner thugs are turned into doctors, wouldn’t that be a positive thing if they gave up their old ways and contributed to society?
Pipe dream.
raybbr is right. There was an article here a few weeks ago about the bill lowering standards to get into and graduate from medical school for minorities. Affirmative action for doctors. I am as happy as anyone can be to see people improve their lives but I think the implications of that on the standard of care that will result are pretty clear.
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