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The Kach Movement: The Israelis That Get it
Myself

Posted on 03/25/2010 7:27:01 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan

The Kach Movement is predictably described as a “far-right” political party in Israel. Information about the movement, or its founder Meir Kahane, is tainted and offers no substantive examination. The Israeli Government banned the party in 1988 on the grounds that it incites “racism.” Furthermore, the Israeli Government (along with the U.S., European Union, and Canada) has designated it a “terrorist group.” I take a radically different view, that far from being wildly extremist or dangerous, they are the sanest political group in all of Israel that correctly diagnoses the situation and the solution.

I can go to Palestinian Media Watch and find example after example of Hamas calling for the destruction of Israel, propagating the vilest anti-Semitism, and proclaiming that Islam will rule the world (especially the Western World. This is not unique to Hamas; this can be said of the entire Arab World and of Islamic groups in Europe and the United States. Nazism has a new face. Albert Speer quoted Hitler saying, “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness.”

It is amazing that the entire Western World endorses Nazism under the banner of the “religion of peace” and that any Israeli would even considering dealing with pure evil, much less making concessions to them. The European Union will soon be a collection of Islamic Republics and they have demographically doomed themselves. Israelis should wise to avoid following in those footsteps, but we find them banning a political party because they rightly articulate why there can be no peaceful co-existence with the Arabs, the inevitable demographics demand the expulsion of Arabs, and there will be no peace. We’ve even heard this mantra before, “land for peace,” and Czechoslovakia was handed over to appease Hitler, and all it achieved was WWII, the Holocaust, and millions of dead. We should have no tolerance or sympathy from an even viler Nazi movement and I am supportive of the views expressed by the Kach Movement.

I recommend reading Meir Kahane’s book, “They Must Go,” although it was written in 1981. He provides a good case why Arab Nazis should leave Israel and why there will never be any peace. It is not "racist" to point out what the Arabs say, what they do, and why they should be defeated. I’d rather be a fiery dragon than a sacrificial lamb. Be careful, Janet Napolitano might be watchin..


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
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Stop Apologizing! (Israel)
1 posted on 03/25/2010 7:27:03 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan
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To: SJackson

Do you have an opinion on Meir Kahane?


2 posted on 03/25/2010 7:29:09 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Islam will rule the world (Would You Give These Nazis A State Or A Bullet?)

Son of West Bank Hamas Leader: God of Islam Suffers from a Split Personality
3 posted on 03/25/2010 7:41:41 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
All I know about Meir is he immigrated from the states. Has quite a following in Israel and was considered a radical and shunned by the establishment.

That being said with this brief description of the views he held, I have been advocating the same thing since the first time I was in Israel and had the chance to see the reality of the situation on the ground. I will now get his book and read it. Geographically there can be no peace.

4 posted on 03/25/2010 7:49:39 PM PDT by Recon Dad ( USMC SSgt Patrick O - 3rd Afghanistan Deployment - Day 156)
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To: Recon Dad

Shunned isn’t the word for it; they outlawed his party and criminalized its views. I’m just amazed how quickly we are repeating history and how no one seems to have learned from the past. I would like to hear about what you learned from your visit to Israel.


5 posted on 03/25/2010 7:54:14 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
I've been wondering lately.

How many nuclear bombs will have to be detonated in America before the current political correctness is forever pushed aside?

Is there even a number? Or will we still be tied down by this self destructive mentality after millions have died?

I wonder the same for Israel, knowing that it won't take more than one well placed nuke to make it a moot point.

6 posted on 03/25/2010 7:56:48 PM PDT by airborne ("Peace, Love, Dope" has now become "Hope, Change, Obama" !!!)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Kahanae was a prophet. He knew the God of the Fathers and did not flinch in saying that the Covenant claim of Bnei Yisrael to the Land trumps all other territorial claims of any other nation, on any other land, at any other time. Why such a frenzy over Jerusalem? Why? Muhammed never went there. Why then? Because the Muslim soul knows that Mecca has no intrinsic value. Who else wants it? It is in Jerusalem that the Only True God chose to place his Name. Mecca? It will fall into the dust and fade into oblivion. But Jerusalem, the city of the Great King, the Moshiach, shall stand Forever.


7 posted on 03/25/2010 8:05:58 PM PDT by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees!)
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To: airborne

I agree with your sentiment, but why does it take a horrific act of terrorism? We had the attacks on 9/11 along with many other foiled terrorist plots since then...and now we’ve slipped right back into the insanity. Israel is facing enormous pressure...for approving housing in their Capital! Can you believe that...and being accused of setting back the peace process (who in their right mind calls it that) with Hamas!


8 posted on 03/25/2010 8:09:58 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: Torahman
Muhammad never went to Meeca to ascend...that was a fiction created after his death. Jerusalem was in the hands of the Byzantines and there were no mosques....or Muslims in the city. See: The Myth: Muhammad Traveled to Jerusalem
9 posted on 03/25/2010 8:14:18 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Kahana' tzadaq!

Why Be Jewish? is also a great book, though I only skimmed through it once in a university library. I've heard it's out of print now. A shame.

10 posted on 03/25/2010 8:18:16 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Hinneh, 'Anokhi sholeach lakhem 'et 'Eliyyah HaNavi'; lifney bo' yom HaShem hagadol vehanora'!)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

It’s absolutely outrageous how Obama disgraced this nation by his arrogant treatment of the Prime Minister of Israel. It is Obama that should suffer the consequences of his action, not the USA. However, a majority of the Jews in this country voted for Obama. What goes around comes around.


11 posted on 03/25/2010 8:19:08 PM PDT by Jukeman
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
I can go to Palestinian Media Watch and find example after example of Hamas calling for the destruction of Israel, propagating the vilest anti-Semitism, and proclaiming that Islam will rule the world (especially the Western World. This is not unique to Hamas; this can be said of the entire Arab World and of Islamic groups in Europe and the United States. Nazism has a new face.
Thanks Conservative Coulter Fan.
12 posted on 03/25/2010 8:21:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Logic and a sense of prescience are sometimes a handicap in matters of politics and governance. Kach and Kahane may in the end be correct about the impossibility of genuine peace with Muslims, but being correct too soon is often a way of being wrong.

In politics and statecraft, raising and pressing ultimate issues can lead to extremism, despair, infighting, and unnecessary, unproductive violence. That is where Kach and Kahane went astray.

Instead of raising ultimate issues and making them the center of a politics, the best approach for a country is almost always muddling through and pursuing several alternatives at the same time so as to hedge bets and permit events to make the correct course of action apparent. In doing so, a country can be prepared for what comes while maintaining goodwill among the populace and an effective governing consensus.

Jews in Israel and the West earnestly hope that there can ultimately be peace with the Muslims. The Left commonly takes those hopes to a destructive, delusional extreme. The better approach is for Israel to be well armed, vigilant, reasonably united, and determined to survive no matter what happens.

Israel must talk with her neighbors, not so much in hope of ultimate peace but to keep war away from her door as long as possible. In the meantime, Israel's economic, military, and technological strengths grow and help to dissuade her adversaries.

What happens in the end? Who knows, but Muslims may eventually reform their faith and establish governments based on democracy, individual rights, and the rule of law. If so, they will come to accept that a bad peace is better than a good war with Israel. Or if they chose war with a powerful and united Israel, they lose worse than they did before.

13 posted on 03/25/2010 8:26:54 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Recon Dad

Saw him speak only a few weeks before he was assassinated in New York by a terrorist.

Very passionate speaker and absolutely knew his life was always in danger.


14 posted on 03/25/2010 8:30:00 PM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he would'nt and not doing what he said he would)
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To: Jukeman
"Quick review: Abandoned by his father, Obama as a teen was mentored by father figure Frank Marshall Davis, a card-carrying member of the Communist Party USA; at college, he admits (in his book "Dreams From My Father") to having been attracted to the "Marxist professors"; then he went into "community organizing," the radical political agitation system created by Chicago Marxist Saul Alinsky; he later launched his political career in the living room of another Chicago Marxist (and Weather Underground terrorist) William Ayers; his pastor and spiritual mentor for 20 years Rev. Jeremiah Wright is a Marxist ("Black Liberation Theology" is Marxism disguised as Christianity). As president, Obama appointed as close advisers a self-proclaimed communist named Van Jones, and Anita Dunn who publicly claimed her hero was communist genocidal mass murderer Mao Zedong. All this and much more earn Obama the label "leftist radical" or "socialist" – many say "Marxist.""---David Kupelian, Barack Obama and the date-rape of America
15 posted on 03/25/2010 8:34:39 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: Rockingham
Let me counter, first with a simple question: Should the U.S. talk with Iran, with the Taliban, with al-Qaeda, or other enemies? Would talking with Nazi Germany or Japan been a better policy? As for your point about deterrence, Is the US Eroding Israel's Qualitative Edge?
16 posted on 03/25/2010 8:39:29 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Unlike the US as to the Taliban and Al Qaeda, Israel is not at war with the Palestinians. We do talk with Iran in secret.

It is in Israel's interest to have multiple contacts with the Palestinians. Fatah and Israel have secret and informal contacts, but there are probably none between Hamas and Israel.

The US did have contacts with Japan late in the war, and we and the British had low level discussions and negotiations with various factions in Germany, although not with Hitler.

Israel's qualitative edge against her adversaries is always a matter of concern. Nevertheless, Arab societies, with limited exceptions, do not produce effective conventional military forces even when they have the best of weapons and equipment.

17 posted on 03/25/2010 10:16:14 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Torahman

Amen!


18 posted on 03/25/2010 10:28:27 PM PDT by bethtopaz (www.rapturealert.com)
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To: Rockingham

The “Palestinians” have always been at war with Israel. How can you be so foolish as to suggest this is not the case? We no more talk nor need to talk to Iran than we did with Saddam Hussein although Barack Hussein Obama wishes to have a dialogue. For Israel to have spies is one thing, but to have diplomatic talks...nation to nation....Israel shouldn’t even bother. Japan was beaten back island by island, and we never had any other objective than their surrender. The same with Germany, unconditional surrender.


19 posted on 03/25/2010 10:45:59 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Israel is not "at war" with the Palestinians. More accurately, the Palestinians, who have no state, are hostile to and skirmishing with Israel, but Israel remains at peace.

The US has had communications and negotiations with Iran. This is a matter of established fact, with the last public meeting in Geneva in the middle of 2009. I am sure that Israel would seek talks with and convey threats to Iran if they thought it would be worthwhile.

The WW II US policy of "unconditional surrender" was an exception to the normal practice of nations at war and remains controversial. The policy was promulgated by FDR at the 1943 Casablanca conference in response to domestic pressures from the Left, spurred by Soviet concerns that the US and Britain might make a separate peace with Hitler.

20 posted on 03/25/2010 11:11:36 PM PDT by Rockingham
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