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Opinion: Health Care Bill: Bart Stupak 'Limits the Harm'
Catholic Online ^ | 3/21/10 | Deacon Keith Fournier

Posted on 03/21/2010 4:06:43 PM PDT by tcg

...what has been clear throughout this extraordinary historic debate was that Congressman Bart Stupak was a faithful Catholic and a faithful Pro-Life DEMOCRATIC Congressman who refused to compromise on the first priniciples.

He has always supported the Health Care Reform package. He is, after all, a Democrat. He simply refused to compromise on the fundamental human rights issue of our age, the Right to Life. For that, he should be honored and thanked by all Pro-Life people.Even if he is wrong.

I was not surprised when he made his announcement. He was surrounded by other Pro-Life Democrats who had made the same decision with him.

He spoke of the "greement we have been able to reach" with the President. That agreement entails the issuing of what he called an "extensive" Executive order by the President immediately upon the passage of this legislation. He honestly believes that with this Executive Order, the current Hyde Amendment language will be protected in the law. He is confident that this Executive Order will ensure that the fatal flaw with this legislation, clearly set forth by the US Bishops, which undermined the fundamental Human Right to Life, will be cured. As a Constitutional lawyer, I strongly doubt it. Though I live in Virginia, I am, to use the old adage I'm from Missouri, show me!

I do not agree with this legislation for many important procedural, constitutional and substantive reasons. However, the first and fundamental reason I opposed it was that it DID indeed open up Federal funds for the killing of innocent children. If it did not, why is the President of the United States signing an Executive Order to cure the Bill?

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; abortion; bhohealthcare; catholics; healthcare; stupak
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To: dr_who
"Bullshit. He’s a DemocRAT. That makes him a liar and a whore."

Bears repeating.

81 posted on 03/21/2010 4:52:38 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Sowell's book, Intellectuals and Society, eviscerates the fantasies that uphold leftist thought)
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To: phrogphlyer; workerbee

It’s hard to have a civil tone when your government has its boot on your throat.


82 posted on 03/21/2010 4:53:28 PM PDT by clintonh8r (I love my country. I hate...HATE!!...my government.)
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To: tatown

Pro Abortion Catholics They are of the Kennedy / Cuomo era.. they have been Proven Theologically wrong and living in Mortal Sin.God Will make the final call.

They are as a result of the Humanae Vitae July 25 1968 encylical written by Pope Paul VI the rejection by the liberals in the Church,Pope also warned that oral contraception would imbalance the natural order, women would get sick from it, Marriages would deteriorate and lead to higher divorce, oral Contraception outside of Marriage it would lead to Abortion and STD’s and Ultimately to Increased Homosexuality and then Marriage because this is the Ultimate self serving sexual position which leads to ZERO Procreation.

in the late 1970’s Ted Kennedy, Jesse Jackson and the Usual Pro aborts were Originally Pro Life until a Jesuit Priest Gave them Cover. Oral Contraception rejection was the one dogma that feeds abortion and Promiscuity.
Bishop Sheen of NYC said in 1955 first their is contraception then abortion the Euthanasia and then we have a Violent Society.

The USA is now 56% Pro life 58% among the Youth 18-26.The Youth have seen the PTSD of Abortion from their Mothers and Friends! They don’t say one Dead One Wounded for Nothing...

It pains me to see this Judas type act By Stupak and his Faux Pro Life Crew during Lent! It’s their souls....


83 posted on 03/21/2010 4:53:47 PM PDT by philly-d-kidder (....Nothing is more powerful than a man who prays...(St. John Chrysostom))
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To: PMAS
"not another dollar to the Catholic Church or any Catholic Charity or a charity even remotely affiliated to the Catholic Church. They can’t even stand up for the one basic Pro Life principle."

STUPAK CAVED. Hopefully he will change his vote. His little chat with the pRez and the pRez's executive order mean nothing. Stupak was head-faked and hoodwinked, along with the others in his faded coalition.

For donations......................the Priests for Life do excellent work. Father Pavone is an excellent Priest, and a great man. He's been in Washington more than at home - fighting again evil.

84 posted on 03/21/2010 4:59:32 PM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: narses
"Stupak has been rolled. ..he let a slick political trick throw millions into the holocaust."

Stupak wasn't rolled - he was begging his fellow 'RATS to find he and his 12 hold-outs a fig leaf so that they could vote for the bill.

He was ALWAYS going to vote for the bill...just neeeded an excuse that would fool naive dupes like the guy who wrote this article.

85 posted on 03/21/2010 4:59:48 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Sowell's book, Intellectuals and Society, eviscerates the fantasies that uphold leftist thought)
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To: Politicalmom

I stood in front of the abortion Clinics Praying..... Name me some who were non catholics leaders ?? we approached all denominations..... they preferred to be invisible.


86 posted on 03/21/2010 5:01:05 PM PDT by philly-d-kidder (....Nothing is more powerful than a man who prays...(St. John Chrysostom))
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To: philly-d-kidder

I’m sorry to say it but it pains me even more to apparently watch our prayers go unanswered. This moment, like no other, has caused me to truly question my faith.


87 posted on 03/21/2010 5:01:34 PM PDT by tatown (Obama is Kenyan for "turd")
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To: narses
"Congressman Bart Stupak is a faithful Catholic."

Bull poop. When he had to choose between his faith and his party he choose party.

88 posted on 03/21/2010 5:02:18 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: tcg

BTW, we shouldn’t be surprised that Bart Stupak just got a money payment for the area he represents . It’s on his web page from March 19: “STUPAK ANNOUNCES $726,409 FOR AIRPORTS IN ALPENA, DELTA AND CHIPPEWA COUNTIES”. Coincidence???

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/speech/mi01_stupak/morenews/20100319faagrant.html


89 posted on 03/21/2010 5:04:17 PM PDT by plushaye (May God help us all!)
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To: NoRedTape
Stupak was head-faked and hoodwinked, along with the others in his faded coalition.

No, Stupak totally sold out. He knew exactly what his vote meant. He voted to give the President of the United States though his Health and Human Services Secretary the power to force every insurance company in America to cover abortion. Stupak can no longer claim to be pro-life. He sided with Planned Parenthood on this one.

His vote ensures that abortion will become more common and less expensive, and that Planned Parenthood's financial coffers will be filled with insurance company payments. Think about it. Every abortion in America will now be paid for by insurance companies. And Stupak made it all possible.

90 posted on 03/21/2010 5:04:37 PM PDT by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: Hoodat
"No, Stupak totally sold out. He knew exactly what his vote meant. He voted to give the President of the United States though his Health and Human Services Secretary the power to force every insurance company in America to cover abortion. Stupak can no longer claim to be pro-life. He sided with Planned Parenthood on this one.

His vote ensures that abortion will become more common and less expensive, and that Planned Parenthood's financial coffers will be filled with insurance company payments. Think about it. Every abortion in America will now be paid for by insurance companies. And Stupak made it all possible."

Yes, Stupak "sold out".

He folded.

He chumped-out.


STUPAK CAVED. Hopefully he will change his vote. His little chat with the pRez and the pRez's executive order mean nothing. Stupak was head-faked and hoodwinked, along with the others in his faded coalition.

This is so tragically sad.

I actually had prayed that Stupak keep strong. What a waste of time, as it looks now.

91 posted on 03/21/2010 5:10:00 PM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: philly-d-kidder

>>Catholics are the only ones who stood up for Life since Roe vs wade... <<

you can’t possibly be that misinformed.


92 posted on 03/21/2010 5:10:38 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Pray for our leaders: Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin.)
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To: tcg

Democrats are the party of Death.


93 posted on 03/21/2010 5:10:48 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Sarah-bot

Excommunicants aren’t issued letters.. If You have an Abortion Under canon law they are Gone and must Confess and then petition return to the church.. if they continue to take Communion they are saceligious. If you Take ORAL Contraception you have Committed a Mortal Sin if you then take Communion you have Compounded your Mortal sin with sacrilege. If You Fornicate out of wedlock or Adulturey the same applies. The Catholic membership is suspended when God Abandons your SOUL when you committed Mortal sin.You Go to Confession and God returns. Venial sins just weaken your graces and damages your souls like a decay.

It would be great if they could just ask Politicians/ movie stars to leave but a Bishop is a Pastor and tries to educate and cajol them. With Politicians they are very susceptible to the sin of Pride the Root of all sin!


94 posted on 03/21/2010 5:11:27 PM PDT by philly-d-kidder (....Nothing is more powerful than a man who prays...(St. John Chrysostom))
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To: clintonh8r
Here's another way to speak with your pocketbook, should anybody be so inclined:

Benishek for Congress

Stupak's challenger.

95 posted on 03/21/2010 5:11:32 PM PDT by phrogphlyer
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To: NoRedTape
STUPAK CAVED.

I wish anyone here in Michigan could email him. ( You have to be a Michigan constituent to contact the guy).

http://www.house.gov/stupak/

 

 

96 posted on 03/21/2010 5:12:05 PM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: phrogphlyer

Thanks. Good idea. My means are limited but I certainly intend to support candidates who will honor the Constitution and at least consider the voices of their constituents.


97 posted on 03/21/2010 5:17:20 PM PDT by clintonh8r (I love my country. I hate...HATE!!...my government.)
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To: KarlInOhio
An executive order cannot override the law and the current Senate bill will likely be law within 24 hours. Sorry Stupak, but even your 30 pieces of silver will be exposed as counterfeit soon.

And! An executive order can be rescinded as it was ordered, by the stroke of a pen. Bart Stupak should be renamed Bart Stupid if he thinks that abortion will not be federally funded with this bill.....

98 posted on 03/21/2010 5:19:46 PM PDT by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: tatown

Don’t question your Faith.... I stand on RTE 202 and RTE 1 the Busiest Intersection in PA. On Mondays 3 Hours with a simple sign No ABORTION and No TAXES FOR ABORTION. One Day I was with my Parish for 40 days for life on a wednesday in front of Planned parenthood. I Thought does that 10 seconds of Instant Positive/negative by drivers at 555 Mile per Hour have Long term effect? A priest Called Me right after that thought . I asked him he said Pray on it.. I did while he questioned me on something else. When I hung up my cell phone. This parts delivery guy walked out from the auto repair garage in front and said... ARE YOU THAT GUY THAT STANDS AT RTE 202 and RTE 1?? hahaha I cracked up ...laughing.. and said to My friend who was with Me... That answer was fast!! Did I waste my time... NO! God Told me so! two ther people stopped and asked me the same thing... one was a Lady who said her daughter saw me and began to talk about Pro Life all the way home and at Dinner. She is now Pro life! Let it happen in Gods Time... but don’t question YOUR Faith! Keep Smiling!


99 posted on 03/21/2010 5:21:07 PM PDT by philly-d-kidder (....Nothing is more powerful than a man who prays...(St. John Chrysostom))
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To: tcg

Stupak’s a craven coward and the deacon has fallen far in my esteem. He is ridiculously naive or just willfully ignorant.


100 posted on 03/21/2010 5:21:17 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (Sarah speaks for me!)
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