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LIVE HEALTH CARE THREAD ~ SATURDAY & SUNDAY
20 March 2010

Posted on 03/20/2010 7:07:53 AM PDT by SE Mom

Edited on 03/21/2010 5:00:38 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

10 AM Rules Committee meeting (C-span2 LIVE all day)

11 AM Stupak press conference

12 PM Demonstration at the Capitol

3 PM Obama meets with the Democratic caucus

Sunday
2 p.m.: The House will debate for one hour the rules of debate for the reconciliation bill and the Senate bill.

3 p.m.: The House will vote to end debate and vote on the rules of the debate.

3:15 p.m.: The House will debate the reconciliation package for two hours.

5:15 p.m.: The House will vote on the reconciliation package.

5:30 p.m.: The House will debate for 15 minutes on a Republican substitute and then vote on the substitute.

6 p.m.: The House will vote on the final reconciliation package.

6:15 p.m.: If the reconciliation bill passes, the House will immediately vote on the Senate bill, without debate.


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To: LostInBayport
Terrible in that it means they have the needed total

...maybe they do, or it could be a bluff to depress the opposition, or to keep in line leaing fence sitters.
1,741 posted on 03/21/2010 8:16:37 AM PDT by TimPatriot
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

They’re terrified- it’s the creepiest thing to watch.


1,742 posted on 03/21/2010 8:16:46 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat veteran)
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To: MEG33

Yes, dear Meg33, continue to pray. Stupak has always caved, but he’s fooling himself, not God.


1,743 posted on 03/21/2010 8:17:37 AM PDT by onyx (God save our Republic!)
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To: newfreep
From what I understand, Mark & LL's initial focus was on going to court against the un-constitutionality of "deem and pass." He has mentioned the un-constitutionality of forcing citizens to purchase a good/service (i.e., health insurance) as a next step (assuming it passes w/o "deem and pass" being used).

The thing that I don't understand is this: if a court (probably have to be SCOTUS) decides that the mandatory purchase of health insurance is un-constitutionality, does that throw out the whole thing? or just that part of it? And, what are the impacts overall if the "mandatory purchase" part was indeed removed?

1,744 posted on 03/21/2010 8:18:02 AM PDT by zzeeman (Fighting to not be the amongst the last generation to enjoy freedom & liberty!)
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To: newfreep

Mark Levin’s lawsuit - his group already wrote a draft complaint - was focused on the “deem & pass” procedure, which it looks like will not happen. But there’s multiple grounds for other suits, e.g.,

1) The individual mandate exceeds Congress’ enumerated powers.

2) The turning of health insurers into government utilities is an unconstitutional Taking without just compensation. (See scholar Richard Epstein on this one.)

3) Depriving me of the ability to make life-preserving health care decisions via insurance violates substantive due process (OK, that one is from me, but I figure if litigants successfully use the idea of Substantive Due Process to justify killing people, I ought to be able to use it to preserve my Life - which along with Liberty & Property, cannot be deprived without due process of law.)


1,745 posted on 03/21/2010 8:20:01 AM PDT by BCrago66
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To: SE Mom

Yeah, just saw it. It was great.


1,746 posted on 03/21/2010 8:20:13 AM PDT by redshawk
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To: Crawdad

I pray your feeling is right.

No vote today would be an answered prayer.


1,747 posted on 03/21/2010 8:20:24 AM PDT by onyx (God save our Republic!)
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To: SE Mom
The dems can't compare, barin-wise, to Rove or Paul Ryan. These are very intelligent men, IMO.

I wonder if Pelosi would ever come close to her 217 if we had a Rove, Ryan, and Tom "The Hammer" Delay working in combination?

1,748 posted on 03/21/2010 8:20:42 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (We need a Commander-in-Chief, not a professor of Law standing at a lectern-Palin 2010)
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To: TimPatriot
or it could be a bluff to depress the opposition

Personally I think that they have been bluffing all week long, and of course, the media trips all over themselves rushing to broadcast whatever lies and bluffs are being fed to them.

1,749 posted on 03/21/2010 8:20:54 AM PDT by zzeeman (Fighting to not be the amongst the last generation to enjoy freedom & liberty!)
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To: CAluvdubya

barin = brain...sheesh!


1,750 posted on 03/21/2010 8:21:14 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (We need a Commander-in-Chief, not a professor of Law standing at a lectern-Palin 2010)
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To: onyx

thanks.


1,751 posted on 03/21/2010 8:21:41 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: Sea2ShiningSea

Forget about the breathing holes. :)


1,752 posted on 03/21/2010 8:24:10 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Markets and Marxists Don't Mix! Audit the FED NOW!)
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To: AnnaZ

If I still drank- I would have started with strong bloody mary’s by now!

As it is- there will be plenty of strong iced tea!


1,753 posted on 03/21/2010 8:24:50 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat veteran)
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To: SE Mom

I can’t find the link to Karl Rove tearing up the leftists....maybe I don’t have enuf coffee in me yet! Can someone direct me? Thanks


1,754 posted on 03/21/2010 8:26:44 AM PDT by NurseZac
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To: All

A way out? State Constitutional Amendment? read more at:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR2010031901470.html

Constitutional amendments.

Of course, there is one additional way for states to win a fight about the constitutionality of health-care legislation: Make it unconstitutional. Article V of the Constitution gives state legislatures the power to require Congress to convene a convention to propose an amendment to the Constitution. If two-thirds of state legislatures demand an amendment barring the federal regulation of health insurance or an individual mandate, Congress would be constitutionally bound to hold a convention. Something like this happened in 1933 when Congress proposed and two-thirds of the states ratified the 21st Amendment, removing from the Constitution the federal power to prohibit the manufacture, sale and transportation of alcohol. But the very threat of an amendment convention would probably induce Congress to repeal the bill.


1,755 posted on 03/21/2010 8:26:47 AM PDT by CherylMc
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To: onyx

I think what he means is they don’t have more than one vote to pass - they want to pass it with a plurality of votes - like by 220 or some other higher number.


1,756 posted on 03/21/2010 8:27:27 AM PDT by PIF
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To: PIF

Yeah... they want a plurality. You’re right about that.


1,757 posted on 03/21/2010 8:29:55 AM PDT by onyx (God save our Republic!)
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To: AnnaZ
LOL!

Crap!

Time to drink AGAIN!

1,758 posted on 03/21/2010 8:31:24 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: SE Mom
I hear you.

And again... worst most terribly awful Congress ever. Christmas Eve votes, weekend votes, ignorant arrogant tyranny... no mercy... no shame.

1,759 posted on 03/21/2010 8:31:38 AM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: RonDog
I'm such a bad influence.

=)

1,760 posted on 03/21/2010 8:33:40 AM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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