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To: Skepolitic; bamahead; rob777
Libertarianism is the laziest of political philosophies, because it consistently fails to follow its own beliefs through to their natural conclusions. Libertarians on this website are fond of quoting that Reason Magazine article, because they read part of one sentence in a seven page interview, and assume that it sums up everything Ronald Reagan had to say about their cause. Every time I see someone misinterpret that quote, I do my best to stop them from making imbecilles out of themselves. It never works, because they want it to mean what they want it to mean.

I can remind people like you that the quote was intended for the very specific audience of a small magazine with a tiny readership, but then I'm apparently calling Reagan a liar. I could also remind you (again) that conservatives mostly revere Ronald Reagan the President. Not the Democrat. Not the governor who signed a California abortion bill into law seven years before this interview. President Reagan fired the air traffic controllers, sicced his AG on prostitution and pornography, invented the war on drugs, fought undeclared wars all over the globe, and increased the size of government whenever he damn well pleased. In other words, every time he was faced with a choice of libertarianism versus conservatism, he chose conservatism. Sometimes the ideals of conservatism and libertarianism overlapped. That's when you guys liked him. But rejection of libertarianism was an enormous part of his presidency.

Which gets us back to this interview. It's clear that none of you have read it, because each of you missed the hext paragraph:

I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path.

Incidently, when he's referring to "anarchy" there, he's not talking about the post-apocalyptic world you three idiots are thinking of. "Road Warrior" hadn't come out yet. He's talking about places like Amsterdam today, and we know that based on how he governed as president. If you read the article correcly (as opposed to looking for what you want it to say), you see that he's constantly reiterating that he incorporates the parts of libertarianism that are consistent with conservatism. That's what all good conservatives do. We also incorporate the Christian beliefs that benefit society. Hopefully that won't mean you'll ever see a conservative president rejecting military action because it violated his ideals. That being said, Ronald Reagan would have easily said that "the heart and sould of conservatisim is Christianity/Judiasm," and it would have made just as much more sense. Politically speaking, Chirstianity and libertarianism are two means to an end.

Now, to get back to that interview (which oviously none of you had bothered to read), the next time Reagan opens his mouth it is to say this: Well, the first and most important thing is that government exists to protect us from each other.

That's the beginning of his very next answer, and there is not a libertarian alive today who could agree with it.

In this very same interview, Reagan goes one to defend several things which no libertarian on the planet could agree with. They include laws against prostitution, a 24% increase in spending in his first year as governor of California, "socialized fire departments," and laws against gambling. Among others. That's why I know none of you have ever bothered to read it, and why I laugh every time one of you idiots brings it up.

193 posted on 03/24/2010 1:03:00 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9; Skepolitic; rob777
Which gets us back to this interview. It's clear that none of you have read it, because each of you missed the hext paragraph:

If you weren't so daft and self righteous, and actually bothered to process information, you'd realize that I posted that paragraph in post 30, and even BOLDED the portions I thought relevant:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2474831/posts?page=30#30

Well, the first and most important thing is that government exists to protect us from each other. That's the beginning of his very next answer, and there is not a libertarian alive today who could agree with it.

Another pantload of fecal matter. This is exactly what libertarians believe. The very core of libertarian philosophy is that an individual should be able to do whatever he desires in pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness - so long as it does not impact another individuals liberty to pursue the same. The *ONLY* laws which libertarians would even argue are constitutional are laws that codify this sole limit to human liberty.

You know, you really have no authority to define what libertarians believe, because you've already proven yourself on this thread to be completely dishonest ,and ignorant. But that doesn't seem to stop you from fortifying the little mental construct you seem to thrive from within.
195 posted on 03/24/2010 1:43:59 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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