HR 3200 hidden agenda

HR 3200

[custergg]

*Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada is proving once again the maxim that darkness hates the light. * *Buried in his massive amendment to the Senate version of Obamacare is Reid's anti-democratic poison pill designed to prevent any future Congress from repealing the central feature of this monstrous legislation! * *Beginning on page 1,000 of the measure, Section 3403 reads in part: ". it shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection." * *In other words, if President Barack Obama signs this measure into law, no future Senate or House will be able to change a single word of Section 3403, regardless whether future Americans or their representatives in Congress wish otherwise!! * *Note that the subsection at issue here concerns the regulatory power of the Independent Medicare Advisory Board (IMAB) to "reduce the per capita rate of growth in Medicare spending." *

[Lmo56]

This is one section of the bill [if passed] that will be obviously challenged in court at some future time.

It is blatently unconstitutional and will be struck down. If it wasn’t, you could have a bill that states something like this:

“It shall be out of order for the Senate to pass any bill that the Democratic Party does not like ...”

[ridesthemiles]

Many Freepers knew this was there all along.

We have tried to tell people and been rebuffed.

Hard to get across the contents of 2700 pages.

[ilovesarah2012]

I doubt we’ll ever know.

[apillar]

Uhmm, I believe this has been tried by other congresses and was resolved by future congresses simply by repealing the section barring any changes on a simple majority vote, then repeal the rest of the bill on another.

[Recon Dad]

Thank you very much for the research. I would take that to mean that Reid will be shooting himself in the foot by trying to put something like this in the bill.
I think it will turn into the cause celebre insuring the bill will be repealed some time in the future, idiots.

[RED SOUTH]

THE NEXT CONGRESS CAN IGNORE IT. THE CONSTITUTION IS CLEAR , EACH NEW CONGRESS MAKES IT’S OWN RULES. EACH CONGRESS IS NOT BOUND TO RULES MADE BY AN OLD CONGRESS.
YOU CAN’T LEGISLATE RULES FOR A FUTURE CONGRESS.

[okie01]

so any such change would be unconstitutional and not binding on a subsequent Congress.

Only problem is, it took five years for SCOTUS to kibosh McCain-Feingold -- which actually amended the First Amendment.

Better that we kill it in the womb.

Nancy should appreciate the irony of that...

[andy58-in-nh]

All it will do is create an even more contentious atmosphere around any repeal attempt, perhaps necessitating a lengthy delay as the case is brought through the courts. My guess is that the Supreme Court would rather quickly dispose of the matter, but there is a risk that Democrats might succeed in tying the matter up in the courts while they scheme to make permanent (and expand) Federal control of the health care system.

The political cost would likely be extreme, and civil unrest would not be an unthinkable consequence.

[freekitty]

We need to make these people accountable and they NEED TO GO TO JAIL.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

The “language” is meaningless. One congress cannot bind another.

[Lucky9teen]

This proposed healthcare bill is the worst
Our government trying to pass it with a burst
But I say what’s the fuss
Unless you’re a wuss
Put government on the plan first

[WVNan]

It won’t get struck down after the anti-christ packs the court with liberal demons.

[Recon Dad]

a risk that Democrats might succeed in tying the matter up in the courts while they scheme to make permanent (and expand) Federal control of the health care system.

I must quote one of the great lyricists of our day, Mick Jagger.......Time is on our side, yes it is.

Let them play their games the outrage is not going away. November 4th will set the stage and the following period up until 2012 will cap things off. Zero will hide in the bunker for the final years of his term.

[ExTexasRedhead]

Behold Harry Reid wiping his corrupt rear on our Constitution.

Call your Elitist Politician and protest their using our Constitution for their own quest for power and personal greed.

[taraytarah]

I’m wondering if a portion of the Legislative branch could immediately involve the Supreme Court? It is time for our reps to do something. NOW. I know the framers had to have seen this scenario and made provisions.

[andy58-in-nh]

Time is on our side, yes it is.

Thanks; I will now have that song going through my head for the balance of the day (great song, though it is). Somehow the image of Barack Obama holed up in a subterranean bunker does not exactly fill me with confidence, given his egotistical proclivities. But you're right in saying that the outrage is real and it is not going away, especially since the Left seems determined to just push us harder and harder.

In any event, I hope one day we can sing to them the lyrics of a related Stones' classic:

"You're all left out. Out of there without a doubt. 'Cause baby, baby, baby, you're Out of Time."

[Safrguns]

>>> I know the framers had to have seen this scenario and made provisions.

They did.... It’s called the 10th amendment.

In another thread, I saw where someone posted that if state governments don’t stand up and assert their rights now (via anti-fed statutes), then we are doomed.

[Lmo56]

Virginia just passed a law stating that the federal government cannot mandate compulsory heathcare on its citizens ...

[RipSawyer]

The whole damned thing is unconstitutional from start to finish!

[Biggirl]

Amen!