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To: GBA

Bingo.
For Obama to be a Natural Born Citizen...
1. He has to be born in the United States
2. Both parents must be Natural Born Citizens.


He fails at the extreme, because his father is not even a citizen of the US.
It is immaterial that he was adopted by an Indonesian who is not a citizen of the US, as that does not transfer citizenship to anywhere but the Nation of his step-fathers citizenship. But it does pull him farther from the US as a US citizen. There is no evidence that he reapplied for US citizenship before the age of 25 to reaffirm US citizenship, as he was a minor when his parents renounced his citizenship from the US to attend Indonesian Schools.
This could be because he was never a citizen to begin with, or he has blocked that information as well.

At this point, there is no evidence (as he has had it blocked) that he is even a US citizen. His qualification as a Senator from Illinois is also blocked.

So, regardless of where he was born, he is not a Natural Born Citizen. There exists a possibility that he is a naturalized citizen, but he has not proven that possibility.


People are going off on all kinds of tangents, but the basic fact remains that he fails the basic requirements to be President of the United States because of his parentage.


65 posted on 03/14/2010 1:43:41 PM PDT by etraveler13
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To: etraveler13

I’m sorry, but even this birther cannot let this error slip: you stated that for a person to be eligible both parents must be natural born citizens; I think you will find that they need to be citizens, even naturalized citizens, but not the most extreme, natural born citizens.


69 posted on 03/14/2010 1:48:38 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: etraveler13
For Obama to be a Natural Born Citizen...
1. He has to be born in the United States
2. Both parents must be Natural Born Citizens.

Correct, except point 2 is more extreme than what is required for Natural Born Citizen status.

NBC simply requires two US Citizen parents. They themselves don't have to be NBC.

86 posted on 03/14/2010 2:14:43 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: etraveler13
For Obama to be a Natural Born Citizen...

1. He has to be born in the United States

2. Both parents must be Natural Born Citizens.

Not exactly correct - both parents must be citizens, either natural born or naturalized [with a caveat].

Basically, the Founding Fathers were naturalized upon the existence of the United States, but who was to lead if they did not carve out the grandfather clause for themselves ??? However, they eventually died out and the point became moot.

Thereafter, the children of naturalized citizens (but not the naturalized citizens themselves) could become POTUS - assuming that the parent(s) native country(s) did not lay a claim on the citizenship of the children (dual citizenship).

232 posted on 03/14/2010 11:16:54 PM PDT by Lmo56
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To: etraveler13
For Obama to be a Natural Born Citizen... 1. He has to be born in the United States 2. Both parents must be Natural Born Citizens.

No, both must be citizens, naturalized or natural born. Otherwise no one could become a natural born citizen. Those who were citizens at the passage of the Constitution were not natural born citizens, which is why there was an exemption for them. Thus, if your criteria were correct, their children could not be natural born, because they were not. Then their grandchildren could not be because their parents were not.. Never mind those whose ancestors immigrated after 1787. Those ancestors would have been naturalized, not natural born, and so the same sequence of not having natural born parents would apply.

(I have one set of great grandparents who were naturalized after having been born in England in the early 1860s. One other set go back at least one more generation, their parents, my great great grandparents, having immigrated around 1865-6 time). The other two sets, both of my grandfathers' parents, we haven't a clue, except we know one grandfather was born in the US. The other, whose family name I bear, came west on the orphan train and was adopted, so that family name doesn't actually tie to any of my ancestors in that line, and we don't even know if he might have been an immigrant himself as a child, or if his parents were recent immigrants or from long established US families.)

So, the rule can't be that the parents must be natural born citizens. But it can be, and is, that they must have been citizens at the time of birth.

238 posted on 03/14/2010 11:32:45 PM PDT by El Gato
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