Posted on 03/09/2010 12:43:03 PM PST by tcrlaf
A dizzying array of options to pass health care
It's a hard time find a House Democrat who wants to vote for the Senate's health care bill. But they may not have to -- at least directly.
Party leaders have discussed the possibility of using the House Rules Committee to avoid an actual vote on the Senate's bill, according to leadership aides. They would do this by writing what's called a "self-executing rule," meaning the Senate bill would be attached to a package of fixes being negotiated between the two chambers -- without an actual vote on the Senate's legislation.
Under this scenario, the Senate bill would be automatically attached to the reconciliation package, if the House passes reconciliation. In other words, Bill A would just become part of Bill B if the House passes Bill B, and the Senate could then vote on a reconciliation package before sending it to the president. This allows House members to approve the broader measure without actually voting on it.
The same aides who confirmed this process was under discussion quickly noted that party leaders have not yet arrived at a final decision, so it's far from a done deal -- a point House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) made repeatedly Tuesday during his weekly exchange with reporters.
This would allow them to deal with the Senate bill without forcing their members to go on record in support of unpopular items, like the now-infamous Cornhusker Kickback or the so-called Louisiana Purchase, that could be used against them on the campaign trail in the fall.
According to industry lobbyists, the House may take the additional step of further amending the rule to guard against another nightmare scenario -- the Senate's failure to enact a package of fixes through the now-familiar reconciliation process. House leaders could add a caveat to the rule that the Senate bill can only be signed into law if the Senate also passes the fixes.
Confused? You're not alone. These hypotheticals have been the topic of much discussion on Capitol Hill as congressional Democrats look for ways to massage chamber rules in the House and Senate pass a health care bill without any Republican support. And before they can do that, they might need to walk their members through some of the finer points of parliamentary maneuvering.
I will never accept. It'll be a cold day in hell.
At some point, Obama will ignore the formalities, sign the Senate bill into law and dare anyone to take health care away from the American people.
I don’t know why Obama doesn’t just implement Obamacare by Executive Order.
If you are going to throw out all the rules, then just DO IT.
I’m hoping we all ignore it anyway. Time for some non-violent civil disobedience.
My state is the first to declare my right NOT to buy health insurance based on a federal mandate.
The funny thing is, if this was republicans doing it, there would be riots in the cities, and pressure would be too much to bear to stop the process before the country descended into chaos.
It’s sometimes unfortunate that our side is rational, and therefore unlikely to inflict physical damage to make our points. Because I wouldn’t put it past some left-wing wacko to go after congressmen who have pledged to vote no, now that they realize every 2 kills counts as a vote for Obamacare.
This thing is POLITICAL SUICIDE for the Democrat Party, and everybody knows it.
Well, yeah - but so was flying planes into the trade towers suicide. Thing is, the terrorists destroyed the Trade Towers along with themselves. It’s thought by some the Democrats who commit political suicide voting for this bill will be installing a law that will be difficult to repeal.
Absolutely. And once that is attempted, what is to stop him from forgoing the Senate too?
Just start signing laws.
I do too for budgetary and deficit reduction purposes only, but that's not what this lipsticked pig is!
What ever happened to the "conference committees" required for reconciling all other bills? Seems they are forgetting all about that usual step in their fiendish pace of confiscating our free markets and a hell of a lot of our freedoms!!!
It is constitutional insofar as the Senate and House passed the same bill.
SnakeDoc
Just remember folks, they are not here to put America on a prosperous track, they’re here to “Manage America’s decline...”
“Code Red” - House Target List on Health Care
The National Republican Congressional Committee has published a target list on health care. In addition to continuing to contact the five Tennessee Democrat Congressmen, you can go http://www.votervoice.net/link/clickthrough/ext/94697.aspx to contact some of these targets. Much of the talk following Obama’s announcement has focused on how to defeat this second bill through reconciliation, but that is misleading because the first step to defeating Obamacare is not by concentrating on defeating the “fixer” bill but by defeating the Senate bill in the House when it goes to the floor for an up-or-down vote on Thursday, March 18th.
Rep. Lincoln Davis 202-225-6831 Columbia office: 931-490-8699
Rep. Jim Cooper 202-225-4311 Nashville office: 615-736-5295
Rep. Bart Gordon 202-225-4231 Murfreesboro office: 615-896-1986
Rep. John S. Tanner 202-225-4714 Jackson office: 731-423-4848
Rep. Steve Cohen 202-225-3265 Memphis office: 901-544-4131
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Defeat Obamacare call list: Courtsey of TN Eagle Forum: List now contains the new MAYBES culled from FR posts.
PLEASE CALL! DC OFFICE LOCAL OFFICE State District
Harry Mitchell (202) 225-2190 (480) 946-2411 AZ 5th District
Gabrielle Giffords (202) 225-2542 (520) 881-3588 AZ 8th District
Ann Kirkpatrick (202) 225-2315 (928) 226-6914 AZ 1st District
Jerry McNerney (202) 225-1947 925-833-0643 CA 11th District
John Salazar 202-225-4761 970-245-7107 CO 3rd District
Jim Himes (202) 225-5541 (866) 453-0028 CT 4th District
Alan Grayson (202) 225-2176 (407) 841-1757 FL 8th District
Bill Foster (202) 225-2976 630-406-1114 IL 14th District
Baron Hill 202 225 5315 812 288 3999 IN 9th District
Mark Schauer (202) 225-6276 (517) 780-9075 MI 7th District
Gary Peters (202) 225-5802 (248) 273-4227 MI 9th District
Dina Titus (202) 225-3252 702-256-DINA (3462) NV 3rd District
Carol Shea-Porter (202) 225-5456 (603) 743-4813 NH 1st District
Tim Bishop (202) 225-3826 (631) 696-6500 NY 1st District
John Hall (202) 225-5441 (845) 225-3641 x49371 NY 19th District
Bill Owens (202) 225-4611 (315) 782-3150 NY 23rd District
Mike Arcuri (202)225-3665 (315)793-8146 NY 24th District
Dan Maffei (202) 225-3701 (315) 423-5657 NY 25th District
Earl Pomeroy (202) 225-2611 (701) 224-0355 ND At-Large District
Steven Driehaus (202) 225-2216 (513) 684-2723 OH 1st District
Mary Jo Kilroy (202) 225-2015 (614) 294-2196 OH 15th District
Zach Space (202) 225-6265 (330) 364-4300 OH 18th District
Kathy Dahlkemper (202) 225-5406 (814) 456-2038 PA 3rd District
Patrick Murphy (202) 225-4276 (215) 826-1963 PA 8th District
Christopher Carney (202) 225-3731 (570) 585-9988 PA 10th District
Paul Kanjorski (202) 225-6511 (570) 825-2200 PA 11th District
John Spratt (202) 225-5501 (803)327-1114 SC 5th District
Tom Perriello (202) 225-4711 (276) 656-2291 VA 5th District
Alan Mollohan (202) 225-4172 (304) 623-4422 WVA 1st District
Nick Rahall (202) 225-3452 (304) 252-5000 WVA 3rd District
Steve Kagen (202) 225-5665 (920) 437-1954 WI 8th District
Bart Gordon (202) 225-4231 TN (MAYBE)
Bart Stupak (202) 225 4735 MI (MAYBE)
Brian Baird (202) 225-3536, Vancouver, (360) 695-6292. Olympia, (360) 352-9768, (MAYBE)
senator mark begich (202) 224-3004 toll free. (877) 501 - 6275 just became a MAYBE
John Tanner (202) 225-4714, Union City, (731) 885-7070, Jackson Phone: (731) 423-4848, Millington (901) 873-5690 TN (MAYBE)
Jason Altmire 202-225-2565, Aliquippa, 724-378-0928, Natrona Heights, 724-226-1304 (MAYBE)
On the Bubble (Major developments from the “yes” and “no” columns in the House)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2467046/posts
Gee. What a nice picture of the House leader.
I see the US Chamber of Commerce who started out on board with 0bama's extreme measure in the beginning are not starting a multimillion dollar ad campaign against it and directing it to 17 US representatives in particular!!!
This is almost like the dumass AARP suddenly waking up and smelling the coffee, which, of course they haven't accomplished just yet.
0bama wants a government of HIM!!! Not a government of LAWs!!! Just like both Roosevelts, he doesn't believe the constitution should limit governmental, especially Executive creativity...
Yep.......gonna get fugly real quick .
Let me say that I worked very hard to understand this process..and frankly what in the world are they doing now?
Talk about a twist...this is a twist that seems more like a hurricans funnel! They are absolutly obsessed...like beyond excessive compulsive!!! It is madness..
Question.....can we call after hours and fill up their mailboxes that way?
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