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Skepticism Mounts on Need for Vitamin D Supplementation
Family Practice News ^ | 15 February 2010 | BRUCE JANCIN

Posted on 03/08/2010 5:33:34 PM PST by neverdem

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Vitamin D, Adiposity, and Calcified Atherosclerotic Plaque in African-Americans

Prevalence and Associations of 25-Hydroxyvitamin D Deficiency in US Children: NHANES 2001–2004

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"The Numbers Needed to Treat"

1 posted on 03/08/2010 5:33:34 PM PST by neverdem
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2 posted on 03/08/2010 5:47:58 PM PST by Maverick68 (w)
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Conclusions: We confirmed an inverse association between vitamin D and visceral adiposity in African-Americans with diabetes. In addition, positive associations exist between 25-hydroxyvitamin D and aorta and carotid artery CP in African-Americans. The effects of supplementing vitamin D to raise the serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D level on atherosclerosis in African-Americans are unknown. Prospective trials are needed to determine the cardiovascular effects of supplemental vitamin D in this ethnic group.
3 posted on 03/08/2010 5:57:53 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tagline, oh, tagline, whereart thou tagline....)
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To: neverdem

Before Dr. Buckley starts sounding the alarms bells about dangers of Vitamin D supplementation in relation to atherosclerosis, she might want to investigate the role of Vitamin K2, which studies have shown transports calcium to where it should be, to the bones and away from harmful buildup in the arteries, thereby inhibiting atherosclerosis. Several supplement manufacturers now come D3 and K2 into one supplement:

http://www.vitacost.com/Twinlab-D3-Plus-K2-Dots

You can Google Vitamin K2 and calcium transport and see many links which discuss this research. Not yet accepted, but many studies have shown this to be a role of K2:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Vitamin+k2+calcium+transport&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS345US345&ie=UTF-8

And, the darker the skin, the less Vitamin D a person absorbs from the sun. It could be that blacks, who do absorb less from the sun, might actually have a lower need form Vitamin D than whites, who’ve both probably adapted to particular levels of Vitamin D over thousands of years.


4 posted on 03/08/2010 6:23:09 PM PST by Will88
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<Vitamin D, Adiposity, and Calcified Atherosclerotic Plaque in African-Americans

You can’t win, huh? I just came from my OBGYN nurse practitioner who said I needed to talk to my endo (I’m a black Type II diabetic) about how much D to take. I’ve been taking some, my previous endo recommended that I take it (I started before his recommendation), but never gave an amount. The nurse practitioner said I should get my levels tested so I’d know just how much to take. Now this article suggests maybe I shouldn’t take it. Who knows? I’ll show it to the new endo this week.

One thing I’m curious about is did they control for diet? I’ve been vegan for 2 years. There’s a lot that I don’t eat, especially things that might cause heart problems down the line. So, are the results of the test true for all black diabetics or only for those who eat the standard American diet? I’m just thinking out loud here, I’m not expecting an answer.


5 posted on 03/08/2010 6:33:20 PM PST by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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Get the test done from your endo. I’m a white type 1 but also take another medication that depletes my vitamin D. Mine was very low and the doc gave me a prescription vitamin which from me ended up cheaper than buying OTC. I think standard does is 2000iu a day but the doc have me a 50,000iu once a week vitamin D. I don’t think vitamin D is one that can be stores or builds up you will lose the excess instead.The heart problems are worrisome just because we are more inclinded towards heart problems anyway. Anyone know what the recomended vitamin K dosage is per day?


7 posted on 03/08/2010 6:49:00 PM PST by chris_bdba
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8 posted on 03/08/2010 6:50:45 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: radiohead; austinmark; FreedomCalls; IslandJeff; JRochelle; MarMema; Txsleuth; Newtoidaho; ...
You can’t win, huh? I just came from my OBGYN nurse practitioner who said I needed to talk to my endo (I’m a black Type II diabetic) about how much D to take.

One thing I’m curious about is did they control for diet?

You might have to pay for the article to find out, unless you can find a medical library in a hospital nearby. I have no idea if a regular library will help you find a professional article like the citation I linked.

FReepmail me if you want on or off the diabetes ping list.

9 posted on 03/08/2010 6:53:16 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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Thanks for the links.


10 posted on 03/08/2010 6:55:18 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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“Anyone know what the recommended vitamin K dosage is per day?”

Everything I’ve seen says around 90 - 100 mcg per day. Here is another one that is K2 only. I’ve used this one or the D3K2 combination for about three years. This one is 100 mcg, page down for ingredients:

http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Vitamin-K2-MK-7-from-Natto-Extract


11 posted on 03/08/2010 7:04:00 PM PST by Will88
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One tbs of Cod Liver Oil will give you 340% the recommended Daily value of D.

Seems like the most economical way to get the vitamin.


12 posted on 03/08/2010 7:07:14 PM PST by JimVT (Oh, the days of the Kerry dancing, Oh, the ring of the piper's tune)
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Vitamin D crucial to activating immune defenses

New method to grow arteries could lead to 'biological bypass' for heart disease

Americans want Uncle Sam's help putting healthy foods on their dinner table (however...)

Two-faced testosterone can make you nasty or nice The original article is a FReebie. Copy & paste the URL.

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.

13 posted on 03/08/2010 7:08:17 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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Beat me to it! I have been taking K2 for six months for just these reasons.

Cheers!

14 posted on 03/08/2010 7:09:49 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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This is why I never trusted science...

Science is a work in progress. We don't know what we don't know. Our Creator didn't give us a brain to waste it.

15 posted on 03/08/2010 7:15:06 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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I don’t trust folks from the PTB who are determined to force the world’s population down to 200 million any further than I could throw the moon.

I’ve been taking D3 for some months now and have found a significant difference in my health and resistence to a number of commong maladies.

I plan to take it for some time to come as long as I have a supply.


16 posted on 03/08/2010 7:16:25 PM PST by Quix (THOSE who worked to land us here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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I’ll put this one up, from Dr. Sinatra who is the first one I saw publicizing K2. He lays out the greatest expectations for K2 for which there is some research to support, though it is not yet accepted by the medical profession . He recommends 150 mcg per day, and his product is expensive. I just put this up for anyone interested, and then they can find a good bit of research on the net to consider. And, there is some research that suggest K2 can even reverse atherosclerosis. But most of us will just have to make our own decisions about it since it’ll be a while before anything is proven.

http://www.drsinatra.com/Products2.aspx?ProductID=MK10


17 posted on 03/08/2010 7:17:07 PM PST by Will88
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Science is the reason we have such good, long lives. We only have to look at parts of the world that don’t employ science to see what a bountiful life it has given us.

Why disparage that?


18 posted on 03/08/2010 7:18:36 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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With the greatest of respect: there is published science on the differences in both glucose uptake and calcium metabolism in African Americans. A recent 20 year longitudinal study revealed a 2000% increase in early cardiac mortalities in African Americans between the ages of 40 and 50. D3 deficiencies in African American are presumed to be the major causation. It would seem plausible that there is a problematic period in a rapid D3 repletion process where calcium supplementation and elevated parathyroid secretions are responsible for mislaid calcium in smooth muscle tissue. A slower D3 loading process may reduce the parathyroid secretions and reduce this problem.


19 posted on 03/08/2010 7:22:45 PM PST by kruss3 (Kruss3@gmail.com)
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To: Will88

Thanks! When I am not on the script vitamin D3 I take 2000iu of a softgel D3 OTC so going with the separate is probably the most thrify way to do it. :)


20 posted on 03/08/2010 7:36:16 PM PST by chris_bdba
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