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To: webstersII
Most people on FR would be shocked to learn that in the early years of the this Republic that alcohol consumption was quite high, way higher than today. The British tried to tax sugar, which was used to make rum, and that really set off the Colonists.

Yes? And tell me what our founding fathers thought of pornography and other "lifestyle" issues like sodomy? That's where the real disconnect comes from. If a liberal-tarian stood on a street corner in 1793 Philadelphia and ranted about how the government was a tyranny because he wasn't able to open a gay bawdy house on Chestnut Street, he would have been tarred and feathered--at best.

The Founding Fathers knew quite well that men do not have a God-given right to vice. Somewhere along the line, many Americans forgot that.
75 posted on 02/24/2010 8:18:06 AM PST by Antoninus (Vote Mitt Romney in 2012 -- We need an even bigger fraud in DC than Obama.)
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To: Antoninus
Yes? And tell me what our founding fathers thought of pornography and other "lifestyle" issues like sodomy?

Homosexuals were given the death penalty. They were considered a danger to society. Later, because they weren't considered violent criminals, they were given life inprisionment. Again, later, they were put in insane asylums. During the Reagan administration, they were let out on the street due to budget cuts. They were suppose to check in once a week to make sure they weren't being a nuisance on society. They stopped coming in. After that, they started the "rights" movement. Now, we have a legal homosexual pedophilia organization, NAMBLA, that teaches homosexuals how to molest other peoples children without getting caught.

There was a good reason for people to lock them up and get them off the street. Our founding fathers were right about one thing - they really were a danger to society.

79 posted on 02/24/2010 8:29:46 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Antoninus

I’m sure the sailing ships of the day were filled with men that held church services each day and no buggery ever went on.


81 posted on 02/24/2010 8:35:48 AM PST by listenhillary (the only reason government wants to be our provider is so it may become our master)
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To: Antoninus

“Yes? And tell me what our founding fathers thought of pornography and other “lifestyle” issues like sodomy? “

I think your opinion is somewhat naive.

No doubt that people who wanted to open, for example, a brothel in the 18-19th century didn’t ask for the endorsement of the city fathers, but it was a common thing back then for brothels and opium dens to be tolerated as long as they were away from the center of the city and didn’t cause too much trouble. IOW they didn’t try to stop those activities completely, they just chose to turn a blind eye as long as thing didn’t get out of hand.

Ever read anything about the Victorian era in England and the U.S.? It wasn’t polite and moral as The Queen herself would like to have people believe.

I’m not condoning this behavior, I’m just saying that these modern vices are not really ‘modern’ at all. They have been around for thousands of years and no matter what our society does about them, they will continue on.

The only way to change a society is to change people’s hearts. That’s what causes real, lasting change.


159 posted on 02/24/2010 5:18:56 PM PST by webstersII
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