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To: Cicero
"But they did stir up the old tribal hatreds in the region.

This wasn't about "tribal hatreds", Cicero. This was about a clerico-fascist regime:

Worldmark Encyclopedia of the Nations, Europe, edition 1995, page 91, entry: Croatia

Quote:

Slavko Kvaternik [the second in command to the Croatian WWII fuehrer, Dr Ante Pavelic] explained [on the day of formation of the WWII "Independent State of Croatia", on April 10, 1941] how pure Croatia should be built - by forcing one third of the Serbs to leave Croatia, one third to convert to Catholicism, and one third to be exterminated. Soon Ustasha bands initiated a bloody orgy of mass murder of Serbs unfortunate enough not to have converted or left Croatia on time. The enormity of such criminal behavior shocked even the conscience of German commanders...

Jasenovac was the only deathcamp in Europe NOT run by Nazi Germany, but instead was run by the Croatian Ustashi themselves.

The distance between Rome and Zagreb, Croatia is only a little over 300 miles. There were Papal legates, like the one pictured above back & forth between the two cities along with a few thousand Italian troops along the Coast. It is absolutely unbelievable that with hundreds of thousands of Serbs, Jews & Gypsies being massacred a few hundred miles away over the course of 4 years in the name of "a 100% Catholic Croatia", that "Pope Pius didn't know".

While he may not have been able to stop the Germans, he certainly could have stopped the forced conversions and the clerical participation and blessing of this mass murder, but instead he raised no objections. He just looked the other way.

It's for God to judge the full extent of Pius' sin, but to make Pius "a saint" is to degrade the Church itself.

69 posted on 02/24/2010 12:14:37 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

I wasn’t trying to say that no evil was done. I suppose there will always be defective or sometimes evil bishops, and people who do things in the name of the Church that should never be done.

Even in a time of peace, the papacy was unable to get a handle on all of the dissident, sometimes heretical bishops right here in the U.S.A. Some of them ran mafia rings of homosexual priests, some of them merely vandalized the liturgy and catechetics, driving people out of the Church by the thousands. Dissident nuns led their orders astray and abandoned the Church by the thousands. There was no Hitler to intervene if the Pope had acted, yet he was apparently unable to bring those disasters back under control.

At the same time, evils were committed on all sides, by Communists and Nazis and by the various peoples who were caught in the middle. Could Pope Pius have stopped it? I doubt it. The bishops who behaved in this way doubtless were excommunicated latae sententiae, but I doubt that it bothered them any more then than the self-excommunication of some of the worst dissident bishops here.

Similarly, just about the entire Orthodox hierarchy in Russia went along with Stalin and the KGB back in those times, and the National Catholic Church in China went along with Mao. Not much the Pope could do about that, either. There were martyrs who resisted, but they were replaced by men who went along.


71 posted on 02/24/2010 12:30:29 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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