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To: JimWayne
My point is that the libertarian philosophy is not limited to USA and if you go to its roots, you will see that anyone for liberty must necessarily oppose baby murder.

Listen, I think libertarianism is for idiots, so it annoys me to have to explain it to you. But in the hopes of ending this conversation, I will.

The core libertarian philosophy has to be that it's only "baby murder" if you accept the fact that its a baby. If you think you have an inconvenient "blob of flesh" inside of you, its medical proceedure. If everybody but you believes its a baby, the government is still imposing on your life when it denies you an abortion. How can anybody else or the government impose their morality on you? Can they PROVE life begins at conception? Some forms of libertarianism claim to support life, but they are really paying lip service, or are too powerless within their own party to do anything worthwhile about it.

And, BTW, I could care less about the views of libertarian parties outside the US. They are even less meaningless than the ones Ron Paul confronts me with every four years.

I am all for smashing Islamofascists, but I find it hard to believe that those who support various Islamofascist dictators andonce hooked up with the bin Ladens actually oppose radical Islam.

You're dangerously close to tinfoil hat territory here. Most of the relationships you're talking about were pre-9/11. The dictators we're "supporting" now are a product of the fact that we can't sustain wars all over the globe at the same time.

79 posted on 02/22/2010 7:49:47 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9
You're dangerously close to tinfoil hat territory here. Most of the relationships you're talking about were pre-9/11. The dictators we're "supporting" now are a product of the fact that we can't sustain wars all over the globe at the same time.

Listen, since you have no idea about geopolitics and parrot out nonsense due to indoctrination, let me quickly explain it to you. Supporting Islamofascists is for idiots and this is a fact, not an opinion. Of course, not all people are fools, many of us opposed supporting Islamic nutters before 9/11. I guess you get your verbiage from the RINOs and the establishment folks at the Republican Party and get indoctrinated by them easily. Supporting Islamofascists before 9/11 is not a virtue. I opposed it even then, why couldn't you?

Mindlessly parroting out the establishment memo and defending logistical support for Islamic terrorists is not conservatism.

87 posted on 02/22/2010 8:00:20 PM PST by JimWayne
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To: presidio9
And, BTW, I could care less about the views of libertarian parties outside the US.

Oh yeah? The original discussion was about two "political philosophies." Anyway, I don't see any reason to support those who assist Islamofascism and give laborious reasons for doing so.

88 posted on 02/22/2010 8:05:18 PM PST by JimWayne
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To: presidio9
Here is the current Libertarian Party platform regarding:

1.4 Abortion

Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.

Almost every libertarian I have ever known is a strict Constitutionalist (that's the whole point) and as such, believes that the Federal Government has no right to get involved in the domain of each Individual State. Abortion law concerns a murder and it is in the domain of the individual State to make law and prosecute Murder. Therefore, libertarians understand that Roe V. Wade was and is unconstitutional federal usurpation and should be repealed.

Have you ever been in one of those Libertarian platform conventions? It's pretty much of a joke (NOTA) and I wonder why you even waste your thoughts on them. You might try to find the common ground between Concervatives and libertarians and work to meld them inwith the GOP and the Parties of Tea! They really want the same but choose to travel a parallel path to the same place.

113 posted on 02/22/2010 8:50:03 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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