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All forms of socialism originated in Britain. The answer is yes they are the same. The only difference between socialism and communism is that the Communists use violence to come to power and force their ideas while the social democrats believe that if they impose controls through a democratic process, it is acceptable.

This is demonstrably untrue, just as all forms of Christianity are not the same just because the originated in Bethlehem.

You are twisting a lot of stuff here - I was not the one to introduce the word "philosophy" into the discussion. Second, you are unwilling to criticize your leaders for supporting Islam and instead you repeat their excuses. Islam is a dangerous ideology and preaches violence.

I have no idea what you are talking about here. The line you're taking issue here does not use the word "philosophy." None of the leaders I respect have ever "supported" Islam. As a matter of fact, neither do most of the leaders I disprespect.

I am opposed to baby killing and oppose gays imposing their private behavior on the public and am all for wars against those who attack us, but have found that libertarians agree with me on all 3 points when you discuss it with them.

To quote Dan Moynihan, you are not entitled to your own set of facts. The vast majority of libertarians are pro-choice, pro-gay rights. They get around foreign military involvement by saying that it's ok if we get attacked first. Of course, the nature of modern warfare is that it may be impossible to tell exactly where the attack came from, and it may be in our best interest to attack preemptively. Those last two are simple facts. If you chose to debate them with me, I'll simply consider you a lunatic, and see no point in wasting additional time one you.

Now, getting back to the idea that a tiny fraction of libertarians claim to be pro life, I would remind you that Ron Paul does NOT sufficiently for approval from pro life groups. You have the option of finding another pro-life libertarian (if such a thing truely exists), and you chose to back Ron Paul. I submit that you are not really as pro-life as you claim to be. And if you aren't, I fail to see how you could possibly make an accurate assessment of the pro-life beliefs of your candy-land political movement.

Here's my suggestion to you and people like you: The Right To Life is genereally considered the most or second most important political issue to actual Conservatives (as opposed to pretend ones like yourself). It is also the majority opinion of the voting public in its entirety. Instead of stinking up this website with opinions and candidates that are not Conservative, why don't you become more active on libertarian websites convincing others that life begins at conception, and the unborn has just as many rights as the mothers. You'd do a hell of a lot more good there.

This is demonstrably untrue, just as all forms of Christianity are not the same just because the originated in Bethlehem.

Obviously you do not know the history of Socialism and Communism and have led a sheltered life without any exposure to any of these concepts. Maybe you would do yourself some good if you traveled a bit and tried living in a socialist country. If you want to be a defender of British socialists, feel free to do so, but this board is for conservatives.

I have no idea what you are talking about here. The line you're taking issue here does not use the word "philosophy."

Yes you do. No point pretending now. My original response was to a sentence that used the word philosophy.

None of the leaders I respect have ever "supported" Islam. As a matter of fact, neither do most of the leaders I disprespect.

You have shown support for Islam and defended it and peddled excuses for providing logistical support for Islamic terrorists. You also deny that Al Qaeda operates in Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

Are you sure that your agenda on FR is not to keep posting messages to defend the RINOs?

My problem with you is that you find every possible excuse to defend those who have provided logistical support for terrorists, released Al Qaeda terrorists from Guantanamo Bay and you even claim Gadhafi is a good guy now as he has given up WMD. What crock! And you show hostility to fellow Americans who oppose liberals. It is clear you are not a conservative but someone who is here to defend the RINO line.

They get around foreign military involvement by saying that it's ok if we get attacked first. Of course, the nature of modern warfare is that it may be impossible to tell exactly where the attack came from, and it may be in our best interest to attack preemptively. Those last two are simple facts. If you chose to debate them with me...

You as well as I know that the real debate is your insistence that the above right to preemptively attack anyone they please extends to people who belong to the Islamic faith and to every individual. This is implicit in your defense of Gadhafi et al and the argument that Islam is a Religion of Peace because you conducted a survey and found that 999.999 million members of Islam are purveyors of peace.

The least you could do is not pretend to be a conservative. As far as I am concerned, Islam is a violent religion and is the cause of terrorism.