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In Order For Palin To Lose, Someone Must Beat Her (To the PDS Chorus: Put up or Shup up)
2/21/2010 | Brices Crossroads

Posted on 02/21/2010 7:31:41 PM PST by Brices Crossroads

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To: Brices Crossroads

Lots a provocative bravado these days from the palinistas. You are screwing the pooch with this nonsense.


41 posted on 02/21/2010 8:07:47 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: John Valentine

“You can’t beat something with nothing.

Hammer hits direct blow on nail!”

That’s right. They themselves know that teh GOP has no one to oppose her that passes the giggle test.


42 posted on 02/21/2010 8:08:44 PM PST by Brices Crossroads (Politico and)
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To: festusbanjo

“but we need somebody that has run more than her mouth.”

We need posters here than have run more than their running stomachs. That’s you I am talking about here.


43 posted on 02/21/2010 8:08:54 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: no dems

If Rubio gets in the Senate, he would make a good VP candidate. There his relative youth cannot be held against him. Plus he is a good campaigner and hardworking.


44 posted on 02/21/2010 8:08:57 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: pissant
Yep, four more wonderful years of zero.

The part I look forward to is slamming and blaming them for this mess like they blamed the third party voters in 08.
45 posted on 02/21/2010 8:09:48 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Brices Crossroads
I don’t deal in hypotheticals beyond my control.

Isn't this entire thread a hypothetical beyond anyone's control?
46 posted on 02/21/2010 8:10:17 PM PST by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Carbon Dioxide is plant food, not pollution.)
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To: Brices Crossroads
Interesting question...is past prologue?

In 2008, there were around 20,000,000 primary votes cast.

McCain 9.5 million
Romney 4.5 million
Huckabee 4.1 million
Ron Paul 1.1 million
Giuliani .6 million
Thompson .3 million
Other .2 million

Huckabee voters are often values voters, which he would retain if he ran. 4.1 million. Would he pick up many McCain voters? I have my doubts...However, if Palin runs and Huck runs, we can safely assume they may split these votes as well as Thompson's.

Ron Paul will probably run and retain all his votes. It's unlikely he was garner others. 1.1 million.

Romney will run, so assume he retains his votes, since it seems unlikely these are Palin voters. 4.5 million.

So, how will McCain's 9.5 million primary voters go? I haven't seen any evidence that they are primarily Palin voters. I would assume they are mostly Romney voters, which would push him up to 10 million...a winning margin...

They question will be: Will the social conservatives be split? If not, Palin has a 50-50 chance against Romney. If split, Romney will be the easy winner.

Is there a Republican candidate that can take the Romney voters? Haven't seen one yet...any thoughts? magritte
47 posted on 02/21/2010 8:12:56 PM PST by magritte ("I will give this monkey for lunch to Mr Sata,")
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To: Brices Crossroads

Some people will bitch with their throats cut.

Remember that the flak is always heaviest directly over the target. If the Dhimmies and Liberatardians DID endorse Sarah, THAT would be the time to start worrying.

Let ‘em yap.


48 posted on 02/21/2010 8:13:31 PM PST by Bean Counter (I keeps mah feathers numbered, for just such an emergency...)
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To: pissant
You are screwing the pooch with this nonsense.

Just what is your malfunction, pissant? Why on earth do you hate Sarah Palin with such unleavened passion?

I know you wish and pray every night for Duncan Hunter to become the 45th president, but is that the sum total of your reasoning for opposing Sarah Palin as hard as the moonbat liberals?

Man, I just do not get you at all. Your anti-Palin crusade is bordering on the pathological.

49 posted on 02/21/2010 8:15:01 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

“The same thing could have been said about Sarah Palin in 2006. You have no idea who is going to be a viable candidate 2 years from now.”

Sarah Palin is a phenomenon, a once in a lifetime candidate that can draw 60,000 people as the Veep candidate. Never happened before. And yes. I do have an idea who is going to be a viable candidate 2 years from now. Sarah Palin will be a viable candidate 2 years from now. Who, in your estimation, will be a viable candidate to defeat her? You cannot beat something with nothing. Let me tell you , in the word of David Broder, who is no friend of conservatives:

“Those who want to stop her will need more ammunition than deriding her habit of writing on her hand. The lady is good.”

In other words, you had better come up with an alternative and fast. Do you have one?


50 posted on 02/21/2010 8:15:24 PM PST by Brices Crossroads (Politico and)
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

The hypothetical was who to turn to in the event of her demise. This thread seeks to elicit from those who doubt Palin’s ability the identity of the candidate that, they believe, can beat her.


51 posted on 02/21/2010 8:17:29 PM PST by Brices Crossroads (Politico and)
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To: Brices Crossroads

C) Won’t pull a “McCain” and treat Obama with kid gloves for fear of being called a racist.


52 posted on 02/21/2010 8:18:41 PM PST by rabidralph ("Precedenting" is a lot tougher than community organizing.)
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To: Brices Crossroads
The anti-Palin talking points, that the anti-Palin bots have been spewing here, sound exactly like the same attacks that were made against Ronald Reagan back in March 1980, when Reagan was running for presiodent.

Time magazine, Monday, Mar. 31, 1980:

And since G.O.P. Front Runner Ronald Reagan relies upon a base of support that is on the far right wing of the Republican Party, some experts have long declared that if he wins the nomination, the G.O.P. would simply be repeating the suicidal Goldwater campaign

National opinion polls continue to show Carter leading Reagan by an apparently comfortable margin of about 25%. They also show that more moderate Republicans like Ford would run better against the President. This suggests that Reagan is not the strongest G.O.P. choice for the November election and that he clearly faces an uphill battle. “


“As recently as last month, before Reagan’s New Hampshire victory, White House advisers looked forward with relish to the possibility of Reagan as their target.”

Ex-President Gerald Ford left no doubt about his views when he warned last month: “A very conservative Republican cannot win in a national election.”

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,921912-1,00.html

53 posted on 02/21/2010 8:18:56 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: magritte
So, how will McCain's 9.5 million primary voters go? I haven't seen any evidence that they are primarily Palin voters. I would assume they are mostly Romney voters, which would push him up to 10 million...a winning margin...

They were voting against Mitt Romney, and in the general election 69% of Republican voters said that Palin helped them to vote for McCain.

54 posted on 02/21/2010 8:22:31 PM PST by ansel12 ( (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.))
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To: magritte
So, how will McCain's 9.5 million primary voters go? I haven't seen any evidence that they are primarily Palin voters.

Oh, come on. You're telling us with a straight face that you've never heard anyone say that "I voted for Sarah Palin"?

I don't think I've encountered a single Republican voter who claims to have voted for McCain in 2008. Not ONE.

Every single Republican who has expressed their views on the 2008 race within earshot of me has emphatically said that it was Sarah Palin that got them to pull the lever for McCain.

That certainly was the case for me. Until Sarah showed up, I didn't have a dog in the race.

Now, you tell me where McCain's voters will go.

55 posted on 02/21/2010 8:23:16 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Brices Crossroads
For crying out loud. I'm not deriding her.

If she is going to run in 2012, you're going to have to learn how to speak to people who aren't 100% committed to the anointment of Sarah Palin. If you want some practice, you might start with the generally friendly and receptive fence sitters of FReeperdom.
56 posted on 02/21/2010 8:23:18 PM PST by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Carbon Dioxide is plant food, not pollution.)
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To: festusbanjo

Some of “you people” are not doing this because you think Palin is unelectable.
Your doing it because you’re told to or paid to.
It
it’s still 30 months until elections and “you people” come in here and act like pigs.
Everyone in FR either knows how to research or will know before 30 months.
You will not change anyone’s minds with your Palin attacks.
Look at yourselves.You act just like Obama and his henchmen.


57 posted on 02/21/2010 8:23:34 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: magritte

Look. It is not a zero sum game. Romney’s voters will not necessarily go back to him, and McCain ‘s voters are a complete wildcard. He probably got 7 of the nine million after he clinched the nomination and they would have voted for someone else if he didn’t have it wrapped up.

Palin will draw votes form all the Columns in addition to bringing new voters and Tea Party people into the GOP.
Mitt Romney could not win the nomination against McCain last time. How in the world is he going to win it against Palin?

The Values voters voted for Huckabee because he was their only choice. Palin is much more viable and will have a lot more money than Huck. Huck won’t run and if he does, he will be an asterisk.


58 posted on 02/21/2010 8:24:22 PM PST by Brices Crossroads (Politico and)
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To: festusbanjo

There are plenty of politicians who have run more stuff (but it’s about leadership, not titles) but they don’t have the guts to stand their ground against an onslaught of the Left’s smear tactics. Let’s see: McCain, Delay, Tancredo, Armey, Gingrich, Santorum. How about inconsistent conservativism: McCain, Pawlenty, Perry, Gingrich, Cantor, Ryan and the list goes on and on. So far, Gov. Palin is the only republican who has fought back and refused to apologize for her beliefs.


59 posted on 02/21/2010 8:27:12 PM PST by rabidralph ("Precedenting" is a lot tougher than community organizing.)
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To: Windflier

We’re talking about the Primaries, not the General election...are you telling me that the 9.5 million primary voters that voted for McCain are locks for Palin??


60 posted on 02/21/2010 8:27:16 PM PST by magritte ("I will give this monkey for lunch to Mr Sata,")
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