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There is a Cultural Revolution underway in the West. This revolution is a threat not only to Christians but to all freedom loving people. For example, there are two conflicting visions of the human person, human freedom, human flourishing and marriage and the family founded upon it as the first cell of a truly just society contending for the future. These visions are incompatible with one another. Only one will triumph.

The collapse of the West can be averted; but only through the influence of the Church. It is her vision of the person, the family and the common good which will pave the way for our true and genuine liberation. It is the Church which is the vehicle of true progress. Christianity is the antidote to the descent into barbarism arising out of the neo-paganism masquerading as liberation.

1 posted on 02/14/2010 6:30:50 PM PST by tcg
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One man's Christian is another man's Communist.

"Social Justice" makes me want to puke.

2 posted on 02/14/2010 6:32:58 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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Author sounds like an liberal .


5 posted on 02/14/2010 6:37:06 PM PST by Nonstatist
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Nope, not trading one type of statist with another. We need freedom, period. Then individual religious folks can practice their respective religions as they see fit.


12 posted on 02/14/2010 6:39:59 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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" It is the Church which is the vehicle of true progress."

I respect your views and your faith. But there was such a thing as Inquisitions. They were not very pretty and did not represent progress. We are seeing Inquisitions of another sort by so called progressives now. Who wants to go back to that?

15 posted on 02/14/2010 6:42:48 PM PST by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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Newt is not a conservative, nor is he anyone I would want to be associated with.
16 posted on 02/14/2010 6:44:24 PM PST by TYVets (Let's Roll!!! The leadership of the GOP has no spine and no guts, but we conservatives do)
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Your last line is exactly right-- "Christianity is the antidote to the descent into barbarism arising out of the neo-paganism masquerading as liberation." Christ is the Standard. Everything else is along the wide path of destruction.

Why was this guy "rooting" for The Who when they have a child pornographer as their lead guitarist?

18 posted on 02/14/2010 6:45:24 PM PST by Longhair_and_Leather (Don't send a boy to do a man's job, send a woman--Sarah 2012!)
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Father Euteneuer says:

"We are reminded that even supposed political victories are temporary, and that the solution to these problems is not political, even if we have to keep up the political fight and our activist efforts," said Father Euteneuer. "We are called to prayer, fasting and conversion... only God can put a stop to the horror of abortion now."

Pray for an improved nation -- The Rosary Online
19 posted on 02/14/2010 6:46:52 PM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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Bump that!


20 posted on 02/14/2010 6:47:00 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Well, I hope everyone will take the trouble of reading Deacon Fournier’s whole essay before condemning it.

I think he is right. I would only add that true conservatism rests on the Judaeo-Christian tradition—on Athens, Rome, and Jerusalem, and the foundation of Christianity in the West. The Constitution draws its basic ideas about rights from the Natural Law derived from Judaism, Christianity, and classical philosophy—the “unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” of the Declaration of Independence.

You cannot have a free people unless they are willing to govern and discipline themselves. And you can’t have that without the basic underpinning of religion—Christianity in particular. That is what has set the West apart from every other civilization, and given us our ideas of freedom.

This doesn’t mean that EVERYONE has to be a Christian. But it does mean that we need a Great Awakening of some kind, a return to Christian practice and beliefs. Otherwise, the conservative revolution will have no solid foundations to build on.

I find especially useful to understanding this Christopher Dawson’s ground-breaking books. Everyone who wants to see a return to America’s traditional values should especially read Dawson’s book Religion and the Rise of Western Culture.

http://www.amazon.com/Religion-Western-Culture-Christopher-Dawson/dp/0385421109


22 posted on 02/14/2010 6:50:45 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Saul Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals, Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

Keep the Christianity at home and in the community. Once you run on it and especially if you win, you just gave the left what they look for.

Evangelicals especially have been noted to shed us of some of our best conservatives, allowing hte Liberals to take over, due to what certain Evangelicals decide is not proper for a public official.

That we end up with someone much worse from the Democrats doesn’t seem to phase them, only that we maintain a “pure appearance.”


30 posted on 02/14/2010 7:09:08 PM PST by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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Sorry I'm not into a theocracy no matter what the flavor.
31 posted on 02/14/2010 7:09:20 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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Agree 100%. We need to return to the “Rock” of western civilization.

The book below should be a mandatory history text and reading in all schools and colleges.

http://books.google.com/books?id=zVDR2ZePzvUC&dq=Western+Civilization+Built+by+Catholic+Church+book&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=ZLx4S8CKCYqMtAPui-jLCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CB8Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Western%20Civilization%20Built%20by%20Catholic%20Church%20book&f=false


32 posted on 02/14/2010 7:17:54 PM PST by Steelfish
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Editorial: We Do Not Need a Conservative Revolution. We need a Christian Revolution

only if they are conservative Christians.


37 posted on 02/14/2010 7:25:44 PM PST by ari-freedom (Gong hey fat choy!)
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Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty!


38 posted on 02/14/2010 7:28:57 PM PST by The Mayor (Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty!)
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Definitely not interest in your “Christian Revolution” if it’s just a cover to impose Catholicism.


40 posted on 02/14/2010 7:37:49 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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I'm a conservative, but an Agnostic.

Sorry, but trading a Thugocracy for a Theocracy does nothing for me...

41 posted on 02/14/2010 7:39:53 PM PST by Dead Corpse (III, Oathkeeper)
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As a veteran of efforts to enlist faithful Christians into political, social, and cultural efforts to build a new culture of life I fear we are experiencing another effort to enlist us into a kind of resuscitated "religious right" which will continue false dichotomies such as "fiscal" and "social" conservatives. Only a moral people can ensure that a market economy remains free. The division between social thought and economic application is a false one. The market was made for man and not man for the market.

An authentic "culture of life" is something that has its source and sustenance as a gift of God, and is not something that can be built or constructed by men solely through their "political, social, and cultural efforts." Where is the author's acknowledgement of the originating and sustaining power of God's Providence in this paragraph? I for one don't see it there or elsewhere in the essay -- instead, I see ample evidence of a knee-jerk Enlightenment humanism that would have made my old university professors giddy.

I'd argue that the "hippy-dippy" and platitudinous positions taken by the author throughout the paper go far to prove my point.

The collapse of the West can be averted; but only through the influence of the Church. It is her vision of the person, the family and the common good which will pave the way for our true and genuine liberation. It is the Church which is the vehicle of true progress. Christianity is the antidote to the descent into barbarism arising out of the neo-paganism masquerading as liberation.

"The West" -- which appears to have been collapsing ever since it was first identified by political thinkers -- will fall if God wills it to fall.

The Roman Empire in both the West and the East fell despite the contemporary presence of "the Church." Which leads me to believe that, apparently, "the Church" may have more important things to do than to be an instrumentality for the propping up of societies, civilizations, or whatever.

The author's use of vague, hippy-dippy boilerplate phrases like "true and genuine liberation" and "vehicle of true progress" is eerily reminiscent of the SovCom and ChiCom propaganda that was popular in the 60s and 70s. Caveat emptor

We don't need a Cultural, or a Conservative, or a Christian Revolution. We don't need a Revolution, period. God forbid. Instead, we need God. And whether or not God gifts us what we need -- to bless our efforts...and more -- is up to Him.

42 posted on 02/14/2010 7:41:06 PM PST by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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The collapse of the West can be averted; but only through the influence of the Church. It is her vision of the person, the family and the common good which will pave the way for our true and genuine liberation. It is the Church which is the vehicle of true progress. Christianity is the antidote to the descent into barbarism arising out of the neo-paganism masquerading as liberation.


44 posted on 02/14/2010 7:43:56 PM PST by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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many will agree with this article and use it as another excuse to boycott politics.

The country is melting away. While the philosophers ponder, some of us are hoping the country is saved from total destruction. Or else there won't be a country left when this “Christian Revolution” arrives.

Conservative Revolution. Moderate Revolution. Mixed-up Revolution. Whatever it takes to keep the country in one piece until the people sober up.

46 posted on 02/14/2010 7:47:50 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT ("pray without ceasing" - Paul of Tarsus)
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Paul became a Greek to the Greeks, “to win as many as possible” (1 Corinthians 9:19).

Something that Fournier could think about:
Reagan often used the term “cultural revival” because that is the language of America and isn’t seen as some sort of threat for a political takeover.

The term is close to what Fournier means, but “Christian Revolution” is a parochial term that is not part of American culture. Fournier (and other pro-family political types) will have to become “American to the Americans” and learn to speak the language if they ever wish to be understood by people outside their niche audience.


55 posted on 02/14/2010 8:25:54 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT ("pray without ceasing" - Paul of Tarsus)
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