Posted on 02/13/2010 7:35:16 AM PST by o2bfree
OK the F*ckers have been caught not telling the truth and going off bogus information. Why is this even a debate. I have heard, “well we still should investigate to find out the truth”. Of course I’m thinking if it was the truth, then why would you have to lie for over 20 years?
It’s all crap. The four necessary elements to sustain life is water, the Sun, oxygen and carbon dioxide. Life cannot sustain without any one of those four necessary elements. Nothing is more profitable then taking 1 of the 4 necessary elements to sustain life and call it a pollutant.
The series of snows this winter have all been fed from The warm Pacific moist air being carried by a mostly sub-tropical jetstream, meeting midwest arctic air over significantly populated areas of the U.S.
Where the two meet and at high altitudes like the Rockies the snow has been heavy at times.
This jet has persisted for weeks now but has started to shift south where it likely will bring storms to the islands — Cuba, Carribean, and Haiti/Dominican Republic.
Get ready for the next set of floods in your headlines to further devastate the Port Au Prince earthquake areas.
Article is very misleading, just where did Jeff Masters claim recent slow storms prove/support GW?
I just saw a similar report on pMSNBC.
They didn't just move the ball. The cleared the goalie, they moved the kicker to the 3 yard line, they dug a ditch so the ball would roll in.
They had their own GW commentator who adamantly stated it was clearly global warming causing the cold weather, trash talked the deniers, and there was not a peep of balance.
Buy Hey! It was pMSNBC.
Climate change happens all the time....but blaming it on man is nuts. The Socialists see a way to redistribute wealth and remove individuality. That’s the problem. Living in mud huts, smoking pot/hemp all day long and eating boiled grass is what they would love to see for everybody...except for them.
Oh yes, I am keenly aware of what's been going on. Here are some of the sites I visit daily:
Watts Up With That?
Climate Audit
Climate Science: Roger Pielke, Sr.
Climategate
As well as RealClimate, he viper's den. Know thine enemy!
Has anyone proved that slightly increased atmospheric CO2 causes warming yet? Until somebody (peer reviewed) does call me a skeptic.
... uh Fox People ... you attention please ... thank you. The debate is OVER. The story is the futility of these people trying to raise a DEAD issue from its grave.
You are partially correct according to my understanding of the science. Climate change may have a variety of causes with perhaps increased green house gases being part of the causation. The role of greenhouse gases with respect to other elements of the environment is not well understood because it is so complex. Alarmists emphasize a feedback effect that amplifies the impact of greenhouse gases. Others have indicated a dampening effect in which other elements of the environment offset the increased greenhouse gases. Others indicate that other forces such as local weather patterns and solar activity are the main causative elements. The alarmists indicate that the basic science is settled but I do not concur.
Even if you accept the primary role of greenhouse gases, the degree of warming, impacts of warming (as you indicate), and policies are unclear. More than any other aspect, economic consequences are unclear. Alarmists indicate that we can put a brake on climate change with a 3% hit to GDP. I think that 3% is a large amount especially since most impact will be here. However, there is no reliable economic model about moving to a highly carbon reduced society because technology does not exist for this transformation. The most likely result of higher energy taxes will be much lower consumption and production, not innovation. Europe has had very high gasoline prices for 25 years with little or no movement away from oil. In addition, major developing countries will be increasing their carbon output, swamping any reductions here. The most likely result of high energy taxation will be economic ruin.
It is hopeless to engage the left in a dialogue about environmental policies, especially climate change policies. They are not totally closed about the subject using ridicule to achieve cheap points. They have no understanding about diminishing returns and economic analysis. They have Utopian views (free lunch) about worlds in which perfect energy sources and production exist. Any cost to achieve this perfect world is justified.
There is no global warming debate.
There is presentation of truth and a rebuttl of lies
It’s absurd for the pro-Gore Scam side to say we are in man-made Global Warming trend when thousands of weather stations were shut down and ignored and they are extrapolating temperatures from the cities into the countryside!
How do they know that snow is consistent with Global Warming, if Global Warming is so new?
Somebody is full of crap.
“Heavy snow is not evidence that climate science is false,”
True.
But it is also not evidence that AGW is true.
(Note: Do not use the word “climate change”. It makes not sense as climate is always changing. Do not let them get away from their Anthropogenic Global Warming predicitons. User the term AGW in every discussion of the issue.)
This is not true at all. The numbers that are pointed to as supporting warming are falsified and cherry picked. Many excellent articles have spelled out how 3/4 of the weather collection data points were omitted from the data used to show warming and that those left did not include most of Russia, any high altitude sights in Bolivia, and only 2 in California both in proximity to asphalt, just to name a few obvious problems. The data points that were included were massaged and manipulated by a model that has been shown to produce a warming trend no matter what numbers are plugged into it.
There is global warming and cooling in a natural cycle to which mankind has contributed in an insignificant fashion. Just examine the ice ages, mini ice ages and warming trends before man entered the industrial age. It has been cooling for the last 10 years, a fact that I mourn since my tender shrubs are languishing. Only someone with something to gain or someone that wants a way to control the rest of us so we live they way they think we should could continue to claim there is global warming.
correct! - from the moment of creation climate has always been in a state of change and mankind can do nothing about it - or should.
ditto all of nature, including -
ditto the human being - our total selves are always in a state of change as we grow from birth to death. And those who are smart enuf to become Believers will know death is only one of the changes in the highway of life.
I wrote in response to your statement that “It is indeed difficult to deny a global warming trend (although with recent events coming to light, it may get easier,) it is the cause of the warming that is in dispute, and by extension both how much more warming there may be in the future.”
I do not have any difficulty confidently denying there is a warming trend because of the facts I outlined in my initial reply. I was confused about your stance which seemed to say yes there is warming but we don’t know how much or whether it is good or bad. I reiterate there is no evidence of global warming other than normal planatery cycling.
I guess if you move both forward and back in the same post sarc is not obvious.
When they are using Bill Nye, the leftist actor who plays a scientist on kid's show for a source... I think it is one of the clearest indicators yet that the bottom is falling out of the alarmist side of the “debate”. Many of the usual characters are caught up in climategate, and the real “scientists” are starting to shy away from being used as sources for the alarmists for fear of looking like idiots. So they are left with people who play scientist on TV and political activists... it is getting pretty pathetic. Even Al Gore is afraid to open his big mouth.
LOL, it was a typo (I even used spell check)
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