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Ukraine Exit Polls Say Yanukovych Has Won Election [Pro-West Candidate Defeated!]
BBCNews ^ | February 07, 2010

Posted on 02/07/2010 10:40:07 AM PST by Steelfish

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To: Steelfish

Justifiable lack of faith in zero’s committment to protection of hard-fought freedoms and democracy in eastern Europe is pushing those countries back into the throes of Putin’s old style Soviet control and governance. Their future is bleak. Zero has, in effect, closed the twenty-year window during which these emergent democracies had a chance to soar.

This is very, very sad.....and dangerous.


81 posted on 02/08/2010 2:25:33 AM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: eleni121

The weakening of young democracies struggling to emerge from the hammer and sickle weakens the effort to resist the flow of political energy in that direction right here at home. Wtaching the world move back to communism does not help us and certainly doesn’t help the former Soviet bloc countries that had been emerging from its throes for the last twenty years.

The “west” still maintains a capitalist system, notwithstanding the efforts of powerful forces bent on destroying it. We can either throw in the towel and succumb or we can fight it. Identifying it and seeing it for what it is is half the battle. Yes, the movement has been in place for 100 years, but i’s only been very recently that that was discovered and identified. Knowing who the real enemy really is has been more than half the battle. Millions now see it with clarity. That could not be honestly said even two years ago.

Don’t abandon hope.....and hard work. They might win anyway, but they will win for sure if we don’t fight them at every turn. Our numbers grow. Do your part to advance that by opening people’s eyes with the truth and fighting on.

God bless.


82 posted on 02/08/2010 2:34:50 AM PST by chilltherats (First, kill all the lawyers (now that they ARE the tyrants).......)
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To: kronos77
Vlasov judged Soviet Russia as a greater threat than Nazi Germany. So did the Fins. So did the millions taken away by the SMERSH. We didn't and gave Vlasov, his men, and their families back to Russia for "repatriation," i.e. a show trial and a noose for the leaders (and the Gulags for the rest)

So when you call them Nazis, keep that in mind.
83 posted on 02/08/2010 4:40:07 AM PST by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: annalex

“What WAS the election about in terms of policy?”

The election was 50% about the economy and (like every national election in Ukraine) 50% about Russia. Ukraine’s eastern half has a large Russian-speaking population that will side with Russia in most things. That’s why Huntington’s Clash of Civilizations calls it a “cleft state” and a flashpoint of russian/western conflict. Last election, the pro-west faction won because their base was stirred up by the attempt on their candidates life. Since then, the Ukranian economy has been nearly destroyed by a combination of the global financial crisis and the government’s incompetence, and the pro-russian side seems to have gotten out to vote & perhaps won over some traditional pro-westerners.


84 posted on 02/08/2010 6:39:55 AM PST by sanchmo
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To: Steelfish

There goes any hopes of NATO membership...


85 posted on 02/08/2010 8:14:39 AM PST by DesScorp
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To: Renderofveils

Vlasov was a piece of sht. Naci collaborator.
And I juht hate someone telling that Nazis were worser than commies.
they were not. Not by any means.

And “Millions” taken my SMERSH is just plain stupid.
Stalin was bastard, but so were western leaders. Just how many people they murdered in their colonies?
No matter.

You simply do not have an idea what Nazism WAS.
Most evil thing man can come up with. Nothing worser than Nazism will ewer exist.


86 posted on 02/08/2010 8:36:17 AM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo is Serbian Jerusalem. No Serbia without Kosovo.)
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To: Decombobulator; All
Decombobulator wrote”What’s wrong with Ukraine turning back to its Russian roots?

Surely no one views it as a bad thing that Canada has a pro-US government, so why is it bad that Ukraine has a pro-Russian government? They are two related peoples with a common history
...............

Whats wrong?/ Well to begin with Ukraine has been terrorized and abused throughout its history by oppressive Russian imperialist govt, whether they be tsarist or Soviet.

The Holodomor was not done to Ukraine as a friendly gesture of brotherhood. Neither were the mass graves and Gulag sentences

The fact that there are a lot of Russians in Ukraine is a direct result of these policies. The eastern part of Ukraine suffered the most from the Holodomor and Stalin's terror campaign and death camps. Those areas of Ukraine were then populated with Russians from the east.

Even in western Ukraine, towns and villages are almost 40% Russian because the Moscow based Govt policies killed or deported millions from those areas during and after the war, and brought in Russians that were loyal and put them next to the western borders.

Yes, Russians and Ukrainians are Slavs, and they should be friends. But unfortunately the rulers in Moscow view the relationship as a one way street.

87 posted on 02/08/2010 8:57:03 AM PST by toshut
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To: ksm1

How did they smuggle Dana Perino into Kyjiv/Kiev and pass her off as a Ukrainian? :D


88 posted on 02/08/2010 8:58:43 AM PST by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." -- Calvin Coolidge)
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To: cunning_fish

Anyone in the “Near Abroad” who speaks fluent Russian and is loyal to Russia can get a Russian passport, regardless of ethnicity. In fact, anyone who had a Soviet passport could get Russian citizenship.

Ukranians can still serve in the Russian Army, per CIS regulations.


89 posted on 02/08/2010 9:44:36 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Thanks Steelfish.

This wouldn’t have been a problem had Putin been assassinated after the Russian invasion of Georgia.


90 posted on 02/08/2010 10:15:30 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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To: GOPGuide

Ugh, another way of sleeping your way to the top.


91 posted on 02/08/2010 10:20:47 AM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: toshut

I don’t think that’s true at all. Most Ukrainians obviously don’t either since they voted for the pro-Russian candidate. Ukrainians were not deported or oppressed by the soviet leadership (which had many ukrainians in it) to any greater degree than any other group in the USSR including ethnic russians themselves.


92 posted on 02/08/2010 10:24:14 AM PST by Decombobulator
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To: topfile

Doubt it. These people will never accept him as an equal in matters of state. This woman is going to chew Zero up and spit him out. Just for the fun of it. With her and Putin, Russia will be well run and IF she runs the Ukraine in sync with Russia, it will be an interesting development.

We might be able, if we’re smart, to actually develop a solid diplomatic relationship based on mutual gain, but with Zero in the White House, that will be an impossibility. He’s too stupid to manage an attractive, smart woman. I have no doubt the idiot will condescend her the minute they meet.


93 posted on 02/08/2010 10:30:46 AM PST by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Steelfish

Ukrainian politics is confusing. My understanding is that Yulia is pro-west, but not to the extent of her former ally, what’s his name, the Viktor they tried to kill during the Orange Revolution. She wants to be friendly to both neighbors.


94 posted on 02/08/2010 11:33:42 AM PST by Synthex (W)
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To: Steelfish

Soviet Power Supreme


95 posted on 02/08/2010 1:15:31 PM PST by ketelone
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To: chilltherats
back to communism? If you are referring to Russia- their tax rates are lower than ours...and will be lots lower when the Bush's feeble cuts expire.

Russia has a 13 percent flat tax - one simple page form
Here in the US we have a 50,000 page tax code, destroying initiative leading to corruption, and getting worse.

So when you claim “Communism” you had better back it up-—I say we are more Socialist then the Russians: spiritually and economically

96 posted on 02/08/2010 1:27:05 PM PST by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: Steelfish

Mark Davis, McCain campaign advisor, finally wins one

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0210/A_win_for_Davis_Manafort.html?showall


97 posted on 02/08/2010 1:39:10 PM PST by NeoCaveman (usually clean, often articulate, only a slight Cro-Magnon accent except when I want to have one)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

I thin they are better off with Russia than the West now. The West is falling apart. Russia grows stronger by the year. As does China.


98 posted on 02/08/2010 3:33:23 PM PST by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: spetznaz

Russia and the Ukraine are like US America and Canada. Like peanut butter and jelly. They belong together.


99 posted on 02/08/2010 3:34:17 PM PST by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: Matt_Rel

Thanks for the explanation. Apparently, Ukrainians should be watching Glenn Beck. They have forgotten their history with Russia which we are only now learning. My God, will people never learn.


100 posted on 02/08/2010 3:36:45 PM PST by athelass (Proud Mom of a Sailor & 2 Marines! As govt expands liberty contracts. Happy Reagan Day!)
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