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To: AndyTheBear
I grow more and more bemused by your delusion that you seem to be arguing with me. The army of straw men that has populated your posts show no sign of abating.

Can you not simply answer the question? Without any help from me, you decided to portray the Jews as "Christ killers" and then use that reputation as an excuse for historic Christian anti-Semitism. You accepted that slur with complete matter-of-factness, offering no demurral or dissent. You did not frame it as if it were a controversial portrayal, but offered it as factual evidence for an argument you were making.

I am not asking you to squirm around the details of Christian history in the attempt to explain them away. I am asking you to account for your own behavior and your own ideas.

You are the one who volunteered that Jews were persecuted by Christians because they were "Christ Killers." We know exactly where the church fathers got that idea because they told us. You also had to have gotten that idea from somewhere.

So where, if not the Gospels?


40 posted on 02/08/2010 6:16:34 PM PST by EnderWiggins
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To: EnderWiggins
Without any help from me, you decided to portray the Jews as "Christ killers" and then use that reputation as an excuse for historic Christian anti-Semitism.

I do not morally excuse anti-Semitim. It is morally wrong, and that has been my consistent view.

I do however surmise that those who wish to morally excuse anti-Semisim might make a "Christ killer" argument.

Are you too stupid to tell the difference?

41 posted on 02/08/2010 6:24:31 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: EnderWiggins; All
You accepted that slur with complete matter-of-factness, offering no demurral or dissent. You did not frame it as if it were a controversial portrayal, but offered it as factual evidence for an argument you were making.

The paragraph in question was:

Let us grant your contention that "Christianity" waw responsible for the brutality of the Nazis against Jews for a minute. If so the obvious reason was being mad over the Jews turning Jesus over to the Romans for crucification right? Please note, this has nothing to do with "revealed truth", but the regular secular reasons that people get riled up about things. Something like "Hey they got one of ours, we can't let them get away with that! Lets get the bastards!".

Note the words: "Let us grant your contention that "Christianity" waw responsible for the brutality of the Nazis against Jews for a minute."

Note the words: "Brutality of Nazis against the Jews".

Note that the hypothetical justification was a hypothetical Nazi position, not a position of my own.

Note that I have repeatedly denounced such a position in other posts, and as is universal in FR culture view it as one of the clear epitomes of what is atrocious and evil.

There is no way I can see any thinking person seriously thinking I was offering justification for what I just called a "brutality".

And so I must conclude you are willful and malicious when you make your false accusations about me supporting this infamous and vile atrocity.

47 posted on 02/08/2010 7:49:42 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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