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”Good technique. Now you are hiding the flaw in another place. In this schema, you hid the super-nature in "individual", "interests", and "justice". Rather ambitious concepts in an arbitrary world filled with a few biochemical machines here and there.”

You find them “ambitious” concepts? I offer that this is reflection on you, not on the concepts. If you do not feel that communities have those shared interests, I’d be curious to know why. But in short, it appears that from the perspective of substantive argument you are abandoning the field.

”What did Jesus say the two greatest commandments again? Oh yes, "Love God with all your heart mind and soul" and "Love your neighbor as yourself". No doubt the reason that Hitler and probably that Luther character were hating Jews and throwing them into ovens. I mean I can't see how Hitler could have wanted any other thing given his slavish obedience to such concepts.”

That would have been more convincing had Jesus not also called the Jews sons of Satan. In John 8:44 Jesus says to them, “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”

Now that’s what I call loving your neighbor as yourself.

Though not as loving as "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

That certainly makes me all confident in the love of Jesus.

”Let us grant your contention that "Christianity" waw responsible for the brutality of the Nazis against Jews for a minute. If so the obvious reason was being mad over the Jews turning Jesus over to the Romans for crucification right? Please note, this has nothing to do with "revealed truth", but the regular secular reasons that people get riled up about things. Something like "Hey they got one of ours, we can't let them get away with that! Lets get the bastards!".”

I’m sorry... but you have literally just taken my breath away. Did you actually just try to justify 2000 years of Christian atrocities against the Jews because “people get riled up about things?”

It is the explicit articulation of anti-Semitism in the New Testament, especially in the Gospel of John, that generated the unspeakable sufferings of the Holocaust. Now... correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Gospels supposed to be "revealed truth?" So... please note, it had everything to do with 'revealed truth." It is a Gospel lesson taken to heart and executed with bloody intent.

Look.. you were the one who brought up the Nazi genocide of the Jews. I thought that once you were reminded it was a Christian tradition to murder Jews rather than a “naturalistic philosophy” tradition you would at least try to find a better example. I never dreamed for a second you would instead try to rationalize it as just one of those crazy things that people do.

"After thirty-seven years as a supposed Christian I am appalled at your ignorance as to what Jesus said about how to respond to wrong doing. He said to Love your enemy, and pray for those that persecute you.”

Too bad Christianity as a religion has so little to do with what Jesus said. "You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" We are too well acquainted with the fruits of your faith to put particularly high stock in its moral excellence or adherence to the admonition of Jesus to "Love your enemy."

If you ever want to get back around to a serious discussion of morality and naturalistic theology, I’ll be around. But that no longer appears to be of interest to you.

You find them “ambitious” concepts? I offer that this is reflection on you, not on the concepts. If you do not feel that communities have those shared interests, I’d be curious to know why. But in short, it appears that from the perspective of substantive argument you are abandoning the field.

Of coarse communities have such concepts. Which is why I think of humans as more than mere biochemical machines. Which in turn stands as evidence inconsistent with the predictions made by naturalism.

Too bad Christianity as a religion has so little to do with what Jesus said.

Wait a minute...you are saying its too bad that Christians aren't following "revealed truth" now?

That would have been more convincing had Jesus not also called the Jews sons of Satan. In John 8:44 Jesus says to them, “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”

Jesus was not calling "the Jews" the sons of Satan, but particular Jews. You do get that Jesus was a Jew right? He was calling out religious leaders of the time for being corrupt hypocrites who loved the power and authority and honor of their station, but were not true to the Word of God. Do you have some reading comprehension difficulty I should know about? I am amazed you missed this.

Now suppose, I as an American Christian call out some T.V. preacher for only being interested in money and high living, and for not following the ways of Jesus. Are you going to then accuse me of hating American Christians? Get Real!

It is the explicit articulation of anti-Semitism in the New Testament, especially in the Gospel of John, that generated the unspeakable sufferings of the Holocaust.

Uhm, perhaps I am the one with the reading comprehension problem. I have read this gospel and studied it quite a bit, and somehow completely missed this. Could you be more specific as to where this directive to persecute Jews is?