Obamacare Is Dead and Here's Why [Obamacare Ongoing Thread]

Town Hall ^ | 1-26-10 | Robert A. Levy

[JustPiper]

As the Massachusetts blame game unfolds, the president’s unpopular health bill leads the list. But the substantive provisions of the bill were just part of the problem. Perhaps more important, voters were appalled by how the deal unfolded.

Consider the pre-election giveaway to the labor unions. Negotiators agreed to exempt union contracts until 2018 from the tax on so-called Cadillac health-insurance plans. That backroom bargain not only outraged the voters, it also violated the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution, requiring the federal government to extend equal protection of the laws to all U.S. persons. Of course, not all voters understood the constitutional nuances, but they sensed that something was very wrong; and they reacted.

I have been disturbed by the socialists for years, ever since I learned many members of Congress 'openly' joined the DSA (Democratic Socialists of America). Several years ago, the names were published on the DSA site. (since removed of course) Please post any info you have, many of you have been on this issue for many years, & if we can store it all on one thread, we have our FreeRepublic Warehouse on the enemies of the state. How DO we combat this, when it's coming at us from every angle? When the people have been asleep for decades. Please post anything you have found or accumulated. Also choose a dictator these people follow, of particular interest,those in D.C. who have been quoted with their adulation of one.

Communism- Marxism-Leninism-Stalinism-Trotskyism-Maoism- Hoxhaism-Hoxhaism-Titoism ETC

[Taylor]

"Well...Stupak wants what he wants...and he wants it in writing. (He thinks that will tie BHO’s hands to a commitment). I think he trying not to be naive, but no one ever wins a deal with the devil".

Stupak is a liberal, and in the end, will vote for the bill. I've never wanted to be more wrong in my life, but he will be the reason the bill passes.

[JustPiper]

Paul WHB taking our posts serious, Stupak news unsure...has them down by FOUR votes

[reasonisfaith]

Jackson was known for passing exams in college by flagrant cheating. This is from eyewitness testimony, as told to me.

[Islaminaction]

CNN Headline News is stating the the Dems say that they have the votes.

[Taylor]

"Stupak will cave, just like all dems do. He probably even knows that this EO is really meaningless. But it gives him and excuse to explain why he voted for the HCR bill, and he believes it will give him enough cover."

Absolutely agree.

[MestaMachine]

http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/155119/

Pomeroy, Dorgan, Conrad say they will support health reform bill
North Dakota’s Congressional delegation said in a statement they will support final health care legislation up for a vote today in the House.
By: Herald Staff Report, Grand Forks Herald

North Dakota’s Congressional delegation said in a statement they will support the final health care legislation up for a vote today in the House.

In a joint statement issued this afternoon, the delegation of Rep. Earl Pomeroy and Sens. Byron Dorgan and Kent Conrad, all Democrats, released the following comments:

“This country is facing a choice. Should we do nothing, and allow our health care to continue down the same path of rising health care premiums and shrinking benefits? Do we allow more and more middle-class North Dakotans to lose their insurance because they changed jobs or can no longer afford it? And do we allow out-of-control medical costs to continue inflating the federal budget deficit?

“We have concluded that doing nothing is not an option. We don’t think this bill is the silver bullet to solve every problem facing health care in the United States. But we have worked hard to make sure it is good for North Dakota
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ND Bank exempted from Student Loan takeover.

[JustPiper]

EST? someone monitor FNC?

[thouworm]

UPDATE from Hot Air (go to site for more links)

Whip count from “The Hill”: Everything depends on Stupak
posted at 3:22 pm on March 21, 2010 by Allahpundit
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I thought for sure that Lincoln Davis and John Tanner voting no meant that Pelosi had made it and was now releasing vulnerable Dems, but it ain’t so.

Your move, Mr. Stupak.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/house/88129-democrats-dont-appear-to-have-216-hours-before-a-healthcare-vote
If every member votes, Democratic leaders can only afford 37 defections. According to The Hill’s whip list, there are 39 Democrats planning to vote no.

Furthermore, The Hill also has eight Democrats in the undecided/unclear column: Reps Jim Cooper (Tenn.), Kathy Dahlkemper (Pa.), Paul Kanjorski (Pa.), Alan Mollohan (W.Va.), Earl Pomeroy (N.D.), Mike Quigley (Ill.), Bobby Rush (Ill.) and Loretta Sanchez (Calif.)…

Some believe there are a few lawmakers on The Hill’s Firm No, Leaning No, Likely No list who could vote yes, including Reps. Marion Berry (Ark.), Rick Boucher (Va.) and Mike McMahon (N.Y.) and perhaps others.

The problem for Pelosi is that is she gets Stupak on board, she may lose abortion rights legislators, such as Rep. Mike Quigley (Ill.).
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CNN reported via Twitter that Pomeroy is a yes. Obviously the whip count is good news, but look: The liberals seem to be willing to agree to some sort of sham executive order on abortion to placate Stupak, and the Stupakers clearly do want to vote for this thing. In fact, Jon Ward of the Daily Caller caught this scene on the House floor within the last 90 minutes:

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http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/20/breaking-1045-a-m-stupak-press-conference-postponed/#ixzz0ippD7Ytu

If my observation of Steny Hoyer’s interaction with Bart Stupak just now on the House floor is any indication, Stupak looks very much like a yes.

Stupak walked over to Mike Doyle, Pennsylvania Democrat, the liaison between leadership and pro-life Democrats. Moments later, Hoyer walked over.

Hoyer asked a question, listened to Stupak talk for a few moments, and then gave a very animated and enthusiastic slap with his right hand on the Stupak’s left arm. Hoyer, smiling and nodding, patted him on the shoulder, and then put his hand on the back of Stupak’s neck.

After a few more moments of conversation, Hoyer slapped Doyle on the back, gave a thumbs up and walked away.”
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Keep calling, by all means, but calibrate your expectations accordingly. As for the timeline, it looks like the big vote will come after 6 p.m. but could be pushed later depending upon how much time they need for negotiations. If the bill passes, the GOP will move to recommit and a vote on their motion will follow. NBC thinks that could make for high drama if the motion includes something on abortion to pressure the Stupakers, but I find it impossible to believe anyone would flip so quickly after having just bitten the bullet to vote on the bill itself. After the vote on the motion to recommit, they move on to vote on the reconciliation fixes, but at that point it’s all academic.

Stand by for updates.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/21/whip-count-from-the-hill-everything-depends-on-stupak/

[MestaMachine]

FIGHT! FIGHT! ON THE FLOOR!!!!

[JustPiper]

CNN blows Intifada chunks!

[Tribune7]

No, it will be EDT :-)

IOW, 25 minutes.

[JustPiper]

Allah Pundit ROCKS!!!

[thouworm]

3:25pm update!!! Stupak as of 15 min ago STILL a no!

Sunday, March 21, 2010

Eric Cantor [Robert Costa]

says Cao is still a no. He also tells NRO that the debate tonight could go late and that Republicans are ready to fight within the rule debate for awhile. Stay tuned, he says

03/21 03:29 PM Share

In the Last Hour [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

The Hill got confirmation that Bart Stupak is still a no vote.

And in the last 15, I can tell you Stupak could be seen with Susan Muskett from the National Right to Life Committee and Peggy Nance from Concerned Women for America. Both groups oppose the executive-order strategy, knowing it to be a sham.

03/21 03:25 PM Share

[JustPiper]

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[JustPiper]

Shared!

I am literally getting hot up to my forehead!

[thouworm]

a funny from the other LIVE thread I didn’t get a chance to post :

We are now “Stuck on Stupak”.
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I know I am.

[JustPiper]

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Jessie gonna have someone taken out in cuffs! Ba$tage!

[presently no screen name]

Down to four?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2476200/posts

[JustPiper]

KICKBACK
Sweeteners
Bribes

ALL in the Bill!!!

[MestaMachine]

I am so into what is going on on the floor, i am lost in space here. been here since way early. Forgive me.