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There is already a solution to C-Ram “round fall”, in that the rounds are midair explosive, so only light frag hits the ground. Which just goes to show what lengths the Israelis will go to avoid collateral damage.

However, “land for peace” is a different idea altogether.

“Muslim land” acquisition, or at least “Muslim land” retention is one of the very few tangible ways a Muslim can be a “good Muslim”. Inherent in this is the concept that once land has had “the Muslim flag” flown over it, it is forever Muslim land. Eventually, all the land in the world will be “Muslim land”.

There have recently even been claims to at least part of Spain, that it is being “occupied” by “infidels”, and must be “returned” to Muslims, who have not lived there for over 500 years.

This creates a paradox when Israelis try to negotiate with Muslims. Because the Israelis will offer the thousand, ten thousand things that Jews enjoy in life, in exchange for peace. But the Muslims are focused on just one thing. They want the land. All of it. Every square inch of Israel. And nothing else matters. All diplomacy, promises, threats, lies, etc., are to this end.

The solution to the paradox is for the Israelis to negotiate like the Russians. Offer nothing. At the start, take away what is most precious from whoever you are negotiating with. And never return it, but threaten that unless they do what you want, you will take away *more* of whatever is precious to them.

It is a critical part of this strategy that what is taken is never, ever returned. Even if it is wasted or destroyed, if it is returned the strategy fails. It must be forfeit forever.

So when attacked, Israel must take some land. Now no one who does not know “the Russian strategy”, will assume that the return of that land should be the first thing in the negotiations. This means most of the rest of the world will demand that Israel return it. But they must be adamant.

At this point, the Muslims would lose their marbles. They would freak out and threaten, demand, promise, offer, and otherwise do whatever it takes to get that land back, even if it is just an acre or two. The rest of the world would take their side, thinking that the land is “nothing”, so why bother?

But if the Israelis do give up that sliver of land, the Muslims will go wild. They will see it as a sign of weakness, and a directive to redouble their attacks, in the hope of getting more land.

Yet if the Israelis were stubborn as mules, and crystal clear that this land was gone “forever”, that it would never, ever, be “Muslim land” again, and most importantly, that if the Muslims kept it up, *more* land would be taken, quickly the Muslims would fold.

This would terrify them. The prospect of losing even more “Muslim land” is worse than the idea of having their family killed. They will have failed themselves, their family, their people, and every other Muslim.

That is such a horrifying prospect, that even peace with Jews is better. Besides, they would figure, maybe in a few years the Jews would forget the strategy, and the Muslims could connive their land back.


11 posted on 01/20/2010 10:36:47 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Honestly....the Russians are (and have been...their government anyhow) thugs, and mule stubborn. It goes completely against Jewish and western character to take land...and never return it—because after all it is only dirt, as you said.

The “Russian strategy” will never fly in Israel.


13 posted on 01/20/2010 2:52:06 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

What it’s going to take is a big war...with one side or the other totally crushed and utterly humiliated—UNABLE to make trouble for the other side.

Precision strikes and civilian-careful tactics will not do it.


14 posted on 01/20/2010 2:54:53 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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