Posted on 01/13/2010 7:08:20 PM PST by SeekAndFind
He may be a crank, but he’s consistent in his crankery. Anywhere there’s human misery — after 9/11, after Katrina, even after Ariel Sharon’s stroke — Reverend Pat will be there to explain to the victims why they deserved it. (And he’s not the only one.) He’s taking a beating on Twitter right now for having said this, including/especially from Christians who don’t want to see the faith smeared by his latest Old Testament thunderbolt theory. No worries there: Other Christian leaders, starting with the Pope and Franklin Graham, are taking a more New Testament view. But even conceding that he doesn’t speak for most Christians, he does still command a sizable following, no? Even after years of barfing up stuff like this.
If you’re wondering what the “pact with the devil” is all about (fact check: roughly 95 percent of Haitians are Christian), Tapper has some quickie background. Tongue-in-cheek exit question from MKH: According to the Harry Reid standard, shouldn’t Robertson’s charitable works absolve him from any and all offensive utterances?
These are yes or no question. Stop obfuscating.
Are you claiming that Haitians do not participate and believe in voodoo/vodou?
Are you claiming that voodoo/vodou is consonant with the Ten Commandments?
Not if what the “progression” says contradicts the original
Get over yourself and stop “bearing false witness,” if you are the Christian you portray yourself as.
Perry Mason, you are not!
I seriously doubt you even know what VooDou is, other than movie portrayals of New Orleans VooDou. Most don’t, they just pass judgement based upon what they hear or watch on TV.
Find out what it really is before trying to engage me.
Oh, and it was you who asked me if I believed in the ten commandments. I asked if you practiced them yourself.
Given your penchant for false witness, I have my doubts.
So, get over yourself. You don’t control my conversations.
Exactly why the "new testament" must be rejected!
more obfuscation. And still no answer.
You are the way who are making false assumptions.
Good day.
How typical of a narrow-minded bigot. You don’t like the answer, so cry you didn’t receive one.
As I tell others, you don’t like my answers, don’t ask me the questions.
Good day to you. You are obviously uneducated on the subject and I have no desire to entertain such ignorance and prejudice.
His target audience...
No one likes or wants to see human tragedy and suffering like we are seeing in Haiti, and I mean no one.
But
I will go out on a limb and say this. God DOES use natural disasters to try and get our attention. I still say and maintain that God will judge this nation very severely, and probably very soon, for the murder of innocents through abortion, for the blatant immorality around us (homosexuality being a big one), and our general disregard for His laws and commands. He will also judge this nation because our administration is ever increasingly hostile Israel and Jerusalem, and most evangelical christians know what happens when someone messes with the "apple of His eye."
Now, whether or not Haiti made a pact with the devil, I don't know, but I do know this: take a look at what is happening down there, and be ready because it will most certainly happen here, unless this nation turns itself around and begs forgiveness from a holy God.
The God of the New Testament is the same God of the Old Testament, and he will do just as He said He would, and earthquakes, famines, pestilence, and natural disasters and supernatural judgments will be coming.
Just as the news about Pat Robertson’s remark was about to die down, we have this headline :
Haitian ambassador: Our alleged “pact with the devil” helped your country a lot
SEE HERE :
INDEED.
You can be certain that OPERATION BLESSING IS ALREADY IN THE PROCESS OF REACHING OUT IN VERY TANGIBLE WAYS TO THE HATIANS.
. . . AS THEY HAVE BEEN OVER THE LAST YEAR AND MORE.
I venture to guess that
Pat Robertson has delivered to the hurting Hatians
vastly more aid, food, medicines, children’s necessities . . . in probably 3 months . . . certainly in a year . . .
than all your extended family has put together over the last 100 years.
He has been insuring the delivery of food and tons of other needed materials for more than a year to Hati.
Check your facts before pontificating such bigotry.
It is commonly believed that this event did happen at Bois-Caimin and is talked about by many sources.
We have a President in the White House who has much more controversial beliefs and yet the msm won’t call him on it.
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INDEED.
Sometimes I wonder where your hostility toward God and Christians comes from.
. . . I don’t know of anyone claiming that every tragedy is directly assignable to a specific rebellion, evil against God, satan worship, curse, etc.
A lot is a function of a universe polluted by sin.
A lot is a function of collective compilations of evil consequenes from a vast collection of inidividual personal evil choices for generations in a region, a people, a family, even a nation . . .
I realize you are not inclined to believe any of such assertions.
However, your scientific understanding as well as your sociological and spiritual understandings are going to be challenged in unprecidented ways. We’ll see how well they remain in tact then.
Do you call the following circumstantial?
From:
http://www.americandaily.com/article/95
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Government Of The Devil, By The Devil, And For The Devil
By Tom Barrett (03/11/04)
“Haiti is the only country in the entire world that has dedicated its government to Satan. Demonic spirits have been consulted for political decisions, and have shaped the country’s history.” Thus speaks Reverend Doug Anderson, who grew up in Haiti with missionary parents, and served there along with his wife Dawn as a missionary until 1990. The leaders of Haiti make no attempt to hide their allegiance to Satan. Haiti’s government is a government of the devil, by the devil, and for the devil.
It is a matter of well-documented historical fact that the nation of Haiti was dedicated to Satan 200 years ago. On August 14, 1791, a group of houngans (voodoo priests), led by a former slave houngan named Boukman, made a pact with the Devil at a place called Bois-Caiman. All present vowed to exterminate all of the white Frenchmen on the island. They sacrificed a black pig in a voodoo ritual at which hundreds of slaves drank the pig’s blood. In this ritual, Boukman asked Satan for his help in liberating Haiti from the French. In exchange, the voodoo priests offered to give the country to Satan for 200 years and swore to serve him. On January 1, 1804, the nation of Haiti was born and thus began a new demonic tyranny.
At the time of the pact Haiti was France’s richest colony, and was known as the “Pearl of the Antilles†for its singular beauty. But it soon became one of the world’s poorest and most benighted nations. Scoffers may say that there is no connection between the fact that Haiti was the richest nation in the hemisphere, and then became the poorest after selling its national soul to Satan. But the scoffers can’t come up with a better explanation.
Voodoo is a practice based on a mixture of African spiritism and witchcraft. Depending on the source of one’s research, between 75 and 90 percent of Haitians practice voodoo. This seems to fly in the face of the fact that the country is predominantly Catholic. But, like their African ancestors, voodoo practitioners have no problem embracing multiple religions. In fact, most who practice voodoo believe they must be Catholic first.
Until recently, voodoo was practiced in secret. Practitioners would go to the Catholic Church on Sunday, and attend voodoo ceremonies deep in the woods at other times. Voodoo was forbidden during the colonial times, and the 32 Haitian governments that followed independence also suppressed the practice because of world condemnation. But on April 8, 2003, President Jean-Bertrand Aristide approved Voodoo as an officially recognized religion in Haiti (see links below). Voodoo priests can now perform marriages and other ceremonies previously reserved for Christian religions. “An ancestral religion, Voodoo is an essential part of national identity,” Aristide said in the decree recognizing Voodoo.
Aristide has been a controversial figure since he became the first freely elected president in Haiti’s history in 1991, 200 years after the nation was dedicated to Satan. A defrocked Catholic priest, Aristide was expelled in 1988 from his order, the Salesians. He was a hero of the resistance to Haitian tyranny, then president, then exiled, then restored to the presidency by his close friend, Bill Clinton. One of his first acts was to express his support for reinstating the Voodoo pact that expired the year he was elected. He claimed that Voodoo was the “national religion†of Haiti, and a source of national pride.
Even before Aristide came to power, a U.S. embassy official in Port-au-Prince described Aristide as “a Marxist maniac.” Newsweek Magazine called him “the flaky Father Jean-Bertrand Aristide.” And none other than Henry Kissinger declared that he was “psychotic.†While it is true that Aristide used Communism to gain power, I don’t believe he is psychotic. What many see as madness is simply the pure evil that emanates from the man.
The Media Research Center (see link below), which describes Aristide as a “charismatic Marxist priest†had this to say about the man: “Aristide wasn’t much of a Democrat, paying people to beat up his opponents, and becoming wealthy from drug trafficking into the U.S. For a good, brief primer on Aristide, see ‘Aristide Must Go,’ the editorial in the March 8 Weekly Standard. It explains how ‘It is not the democratic authorities that are being overthrown in Haiti, but Aristide’s retinue of gunmen.†(There is a link to this article below, as well.)
Aristide was only in office eight months before he was ousted and fled to the United States. There he effectively lobbied Bill Clinton and other government officials, convincing them that he was not the tyrant that Haitians said he was. After Clinton sent 20,000 American troops to install Aristide in power in 1994, the president-turned-dictator disbanded the army. But the civilian police force he replaced it with has also brutalized the Haitian people, engaging in summary executions as well as the drug-running that has made Aristide the richest man in Haiti. This drug money allows Aristide to live in a lavish mansion in a nation where the average yearly salary is $350.
As the Weekly Standard editorial by Christopher Caldwell says, “Aristide, of course, did not create Haiti’s problems, but he profits from all of them. His ten years of direct and indirect rule have been a disaster. His regime has been democratic only in the Haitian sense of one man, one vote, one time. The last free and fair election in Haiti was in 1990, the closely monitored contest that brought Aristide to power. Even then, Aristide was making use of street violence orchestrated by his ‘vigilance committees.’ Four years ago, Aristide received over 90 percent of the vote in a presidential election so transparently corrupt that several American and European agencies reluctantly froze hundreds of millions of dollars in aid money.
“With a mystifying regularity reminiscent of Saddam Hussein, Aristide has refused the simplest procedural inducements to unlock millions that could have been used to feed and treat his poorer compatriots. From humble beginnings as a Salesian slum priest, Aristide has become the richest man in Haiti. How? Last Wednesday in Miami, the Haitian mafioso Beaudoin Ketant, go-between for three Colombian cartels, was sentenced to 27 years in prison for transporting 30 tons of cocaine between Haiti and Florida. At his sentencing, Ketant said that Aristide “is a drug lord. He controlled the drug trade in Haiti. It’s a one-man show, your honor. You either pay him or you die.”
Caldwell goes on to relate how Aristide created a series of banks that paid absurd rates of interest, which enticed Haiti’s tiny middle class to deposit their hard-earned dollars. He then stole $90 million from the banks, effectively demolishing the middle class and creating a classic poor-against-rich uprising that resulted in his ouster.
Democrat almost-nominee John Kerry spoke out in support of Aristide prior to his resignation, saying “This democracy is going to be sustained.†Democrat Charlie Rangel and the Congressional Black Caucus, along with such upstanding citizens as “Reverend†Jesses Jackson and Alcee Hastings (the former federal judge convicted of bribery), have been calling for the US to once again install Aristide in power following his recent resignation. They have been irresponsibly trumpeting his ridiculous lies about being “kidnapped†by the US and “forced into exile.†The obvious facts are that Aristide begged for US help and we protected him. When it became clear that the only way his safety could be assured was to leave the country, we provided transportation for him.
Had we not intervened, Aristide would have been dead in a matter of days, so furious were the people he had abused for years. He gladly boarded the plane, grateful for our protection. Now that he is safe, he is laying the groundwork for a possible comeback with his preposterous lies. Rangel, Maxine Waters, Barbara Lee and the rest of the Black Caucus should be ashamed of siding with a vicious dictator against their own country. I don’t have a bone of prejudice in my body against blacks. But I am greatly prejudiced against the members of this Caucus because of their constant use of the race card, whether or not race is an issue. It is clearly not the issue here. The fact that Aristide is black is not why his countrymen want him gone. It is because he is an evil man.
My biggest problem with this man is the fact that, not only did he make Voodoo an official religion, he used every device available to him to promote it. On the day that his government officially recognized Voodoo, he paid all the radio stations to play nothing but Voodoo music all day. He flew in 400 Voodoo priests from West Africa, the birthplace of the evil religion, to promote it.
A missionary couple who run an orphanage and a school for 400 children in Haiti sent a report to their supporters last summer (see the link to “Religious Persecution Intensifies in Haiti†below). It reads, in part, “Last week a baby was stolen from the hospital in St. Marc. The reason the child is to be sacrificed to appease the Voodoo gods for the so-called special day of celebration.†Can there be any question of the horribly evil nature of this “religion†that former priest Aristide promotes?
And now for the good news. Even with Aristide’s support and promotion, Voodoo in Haiti is doomed. God’s people have gone on the offensive, and the blood pact that has kept Haiti in darkness for 200 years has been broken.
I first heard this account from Bishop Joel Jeune at a meeting of the Gospel Crusade Ministerial Fellowship (www.GCMF.org). Jeune is the Coordinator of Haiti for the GCMF and oversees 64 churches there.
The link, “US Department of State Report of Religious Freedom†below contains this report: “In early August 1997, three evangelical pastors were arrested near Cap Haitien after they had proceeded with plans to hold a religious revival at Bois Caiman. Bois Caiman has a strong patriotic significance for Haitians, since it is the site of a legendary 1791 voodoo ceremony at which slaves swore to rise up against their masters and risk death rather than continue to live in bondage. The resulting slave rebellion was a precursor to the Haitian Revolution (1791-1804).
“The pastors, who had been prohibited by the authorities from holding the revival on the actual anniversary of the ceremony, proceeded instead with plans to hold the event several days before the anniversary, hoping to rid the area of malevolent influences. This offended much of the local populace and local authorities, who arrested pastors Joel Jeune, Jean Berthony Paul, and Gregor Joseph on August 4. They were released on the orders of a judge on August 6.â€
The government account tells only part of the story. In the link “Haiti - God’s country after a ‘holy invasion’†you will see the following and much more (very exciting reading):
“On 14 August 1997, God’s people in Haiti experienced a historic victory over Satan, a milestone in winning our country back for God. The reason lies in history. The slaves brought here from Africa have suffered incredibly for many years. On 14 August 1791, a slave leader by the name of Boukman called a secret meeting in a wood called Bois-Caiman near Cap Haitien, which was attended by a large number of slaves. They celebrated a satanic ceremony, sacrificing a pig and drinking its blood, swore to serve the Devil and dedicated Haiti to him. For 206 years, Bois-Caiman was a very holy place, a high place which could only be entered by witch doctors during Voodoo ceremonies. For 206 years, they have been meeting there every August 14 to sacrifice to Satan.
“A number of Christian leaders, including Paul and Gerald Clerie of ‘Vision: Haiti’ and Christian leaders among the large numbers of Haitians in the USA, Canada, France and other countries, called Christians to unite on 14 August 1997 to pray and fast that Haiti would return to God. In Haiti’s towns, villages and mountains, Christians came together to fast and pray, held victory marches in the streets and a large event in the capital from 6am to 10pm during the holy invasion.
“Our church members started their march in front of the President’s palace and marched for 6 hours to the place where the satanic ceremony took place 206 years ago. We had informed the government and media of our intentions weeks before the event, and were told that the witch doctors would be there, as they were every year. When we arrived, they had hidden themselves, unable to directly confront the Christians. It was a significant spiritual battle to reach the tree under which the pig was sacrificed in the original ceremony. We formed a Jericho march, circling the magic tree seven times. On the seventh time around, God gave many people a vision of the Devil fleeing from the area. The Christians were overjoyed. We cancelled the satanic contract and broke the curse, before celebrating communion and dedicating the area as a place of prayer. We also declared 14 August to be a national prayer day, on which people should pray that Haiti will return to God.
“On the same day, several witch doctors were saved during the events in the capital. Three days after our holy invasion, the witch doctors returned to Bois-Caiman to bring their sacrifices and call on the spirits. After days of effort, nothing happened, because we had commanded the spirits never to return and dedicated the area to Christ.
“The witch doctors complained to the government and media. At first, the government also protested, speaking in a press release of ‘terrible damage to a Voodoo holy place in which no Christian had set foot for 206 years.’ By the grace of God, the government relented and respected our legal right as Haitians to gather at any place on Haiti, including Bois-Caiman, where they now allow all Christian groups to meet. The place is now very popular, and local Christians gather there daily for prayer and fasting. All Haitians now know that the country no longer has a pact with the Devil; the contract has been cancelled, the curse broken.
In 1991, 200 years after his predecessors had dedicated Haiti to Satan, Jean-Bertrand Aristide became president of Haiti and attempted to renew the contract. In 1997, the contract was broken forever. In 2003, in a last desperate attempt to retain power, Aristide made Voodoo an official religion. And now he is gone. Let us pray that Haiti, with its newfound freedom, will turn to the one true God.
US Department of State Report of Religious Freedom
http://www.cesnur.org/testi/irf/irf_haiti99.html
Haiti - God’s country after a ‘holy invasion’
http://www.jesus.org.uk/dawn/1998/dawn9802.html
Victory Over Voodoo in Haiti
http://www.christian-connection.org/print.php?sid=299
Religious Persecution Intensifies In Haiti
http://www.andyfigueroa.net/haiti.htm
Haiti; Satan’s Stronghold
http://www.raptureme.com/rap16.html
Breaking the Blood Pact
http://www.newdirections.org/index.php/pressroom
Aristide Approves Voodoo as an Official Religion
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/archives/00002966.html
Voodoo – It’s Official in Haiti
http://www.ccgm.org.au/articles/ARTICLE-0070.htm
Aristide Defends Record
http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/5060184.htm
ARISTIDE MANSION
http://www.salon.com/news/1999/03/12news.html
Media Research Center http://www.mediaresearch.org/printer/cyberalerts/2004/cyb20040302pf.asp
“Pearl of the Antillesâ€
http://www.rminet.org/retreat_center.htm
“Aristide Must Go†– The Weekly Standard
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/795ywram.asp
Aristide Claims He Was Kidnapped from Haiti
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040306/wl_nm/haiti_aristide_dc_1
Islamic Influences on Haitian Voodoo
http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/voodoo/islam.htm
The Challenges Facing Haiti
http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/bookreviews/arisfarmplum.htm
Bad things happen to good people, and it isn’t always because of “pacts with Satan”.
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Are you trying to imply that it’s
NEVER because of pacts with satan????
If so, that would be an extremely foolish assertion.
How do you explain 90% Roman Catholic and at least 50% practicing voodoo???
Evidently the RC hierarchy there is doing something horribly wrong.
The New Testament exhorts Christians to judge some things.
And that has absolutely nothing to do with him spreading falsehoods.
But, my friend, my idea of Christian helping is what one gives of themselves, not what they collect from others to give.
Luke 21:1 And He looked up and saw the rich putting their gifts into the treasury, 2 and He saw also a certain poor widow putting in two mites. 3 So He said, “Truly I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all; 4 for all these out of their abundance have put in offerings for God, but she out of her poverty put in all the livelihood that she had.”
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