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China will soon have the power to switch off the lights in the West
Telegraph UK ^ | 1/3/10

Posted on 01/03/2010 11:49:05 AM PST by FromLori

At a stroke the cold reality of China's attitude to the outside world was laid bare for all to see. Rather than being a partner that can be trusted to work with the West on issues of mutual concern, the Chinese have demonstrated that their default position is that Beijing's only real priority it to look after its own interests, whether it is enforcing its zero tolerance policy on drug abuse or refusing to cooperate with global efforts to reduce carbon emissions.

China's self-centred approach to international affairs should come as no surprise to the British government. American President Barack Obama was similarly rebuffed during his state visit to Beijing last November. Mr Obama arrived in China hoping to get Chinese cooperation on a range of issues, such as North Korea, financial stability and human rights. But despite being given a warm reception in public by Chinese officials, including a private guided tour of the Great Wall, the American president left Beijing without gaining any concessions from China on any major issue.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhochina; china; thewest
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1 posted on 01/03/2010 11:49:05 AM PST by FromLori
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To: FromLori

Since around 1992, the West should have been placed on suicide watch. And it’s gotten exponentially worse since then.

About all we can do now is watch this play out.

When the proverbial stuff hits the fan, just remember folks. Some of us tried to sound the warning bells about China.

Britain making new trade deals with China, makes it absolutely clear out clueless Western leaders are. It’s a sad thing to watch, the circling of the drain.


2 posted on 01/03/2010 11:53:20 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will be made citizens.)
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Britain making new trade deals with China, makes it absolutely clear HOW clueless Western leaders are.

SAT

3 posted on 01/03/2010 11:55:26 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will be made citizens.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I think Nixon started it with his ping pong diplomacy. Henry Kissinger was a major lobyist for the Chicoms. Many democrats were also engaged in the revolving door policy of lobying for the Chicoms after leaving office.

Who were the other major traitors?

4 posted on 01/03/2010 11:56:14 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: DoughtyOne

When I was young the saying was I would rather be dead then red we all knew the commies couldn’t be trusted I taught my children the commies couldn’t be trusted I think our government deciding to do business with them because globalists wanted the cheap labor was suicide!


5 posted on 01/03/2010 11:57:08 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: DoughtyOne

When the proverbial stuff hits the fan, just remember folks. Some of us tried to sound the warning bells about China


Yes...a number of us tried to warn everyone about Communist China....wonder what those who whine “isolationism” and “protectionism” are thinking now

Supporting Free Trade with Communist China is just supporting Communism


6 posted on 01/03/2010 11:59:22 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all FReepers)
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To: FromLori

Unanswered question: Will the US’s policies that have moved large amounts of US manufacturing production to China, and transferred untold amounts of technology, and created massive trade deficits, will those policies prove to be the most stupid, self-destructive in all of human history?


7 posted on 01/03/2010 12:04:23 PM PST by Will88
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To: FromLori

“...the Chinese have demonstrated that their default position is that Beijing’s only real priority it to look after its own interests...”

As any country with even a shred of survival instinct and not afflicted with political correctness should be doing 24/7.


8 posted on 01/03/2010 12:06:53 PM PST by Magic Fingers
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To: FromLori

Nations don’t have friends, they have interests — Talleyrand


9 posted on 01/03/2010 12:07:34 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: Will88

INHO they already have


10 posted on 01/03/2010 12:08:22 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Who were the other major traitors?

Just a big hero to a lot of clueless "conservatives" on this forum, for instance

11 posted on 01/03/2010 12:08:31 PM PST by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property....)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

I suppose you could make that case. Others certainly do, so you’re not alone or in particularly bad company either. I still see it differently.

During the height of the cold war, it was desired to cozy up with one Communist nation in opposition to the other. It gave Russia something to think about, because these two nations (China/Russia) were experiencing skirmishes on China’s northern border. The were hardly kissing cousins in that time frame.

Had the association been kept simply, merely a dialogue and softening of China’s anti-Western stance, perhaps it could have been a positive thing.

What transpired around 1992 was IMO bordering treason. It give aid and comfort to a Communist nation whose politicians were still making statements that they wanted to bury the West.

When you see the subterfuge associated with the Clinton White House, the thefts of state secrets, the gifting of others, the gifting of our technology that gave China a three or more decade jump, there’s little doubt both Bush the Elder and Clinton were psycho-babble idiots when it came to China.

Is that a good thing? Hell no!

Is that Nixon’s fault? No.

Is it reasoned to think a dialogue with China could have helped us in the cold war? Yes.

I see this as a ploy (not by you of course), to lay yet another bad thing off on a guy already suspected and blamed for bad things. It absolves those who truly did game the system.

Bush and Clinton have an awful lot to answer for when it comes to China. One day, I hope they’ll be seen for the contributors who brought us terrible grief.

Their successors will also share in that judgment.


12 posted on 01/03/2010 12:08:42 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will be made citizens.)
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To: Magic Fingers
“...the Chinese have demonstrated that their default position is that Beijing’s only real priority it to look after its own interests...”
 
As any country with even a shred of survival instinct and not afflicted with political correctness should be doing 24/7.

Bingo. And since when is rejecting the AGW scam something bad.

13 posted on 01/03/2010 12:12:12 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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To: FromLori

Same here FromLori. I can identify with and agree on all counts there. Absolutely right IMO.


14 posted on 01/03/2010 12:12:18 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will be made citizens.)
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To: FromLori
For weeks British ministers and officials tried desperately to persuade their Chinese counterparts to commute the death sentence passed on Akmal Shaikh, a mentally ill 53-year-old minicab driver from North London who was convicted of smuggling four kilos of heroin into China two years ago.

Akmal Shaikh-sure sounds British to me....

15 posted on 01/03/2010 12:15:50 PM PST by Born Conservative ("I'm a fan of disruptors" - Nancy Pelosi)
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To: Magic Fingers

If environmentalists were serious about energy independence, they wouldn’t be allowing the solar cell factories in California to outsource wafer fab to China.


16 posted on 01/03/2010 12:18:19 PM PST by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: Born Conservative

Have you seen some of the names in zero administration soon it will sound American :)


17 posted on 01/03/2010 12:18:31 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: DoughtyOne
No, I am certainly not attempting to lay the whole blame upon Nixon. He simply started it, with the best of intentions, and it backfired.

It is possible that it prevented a war or wars, since it is not to their benefit to attack their major trading partner, and better to their interests they sit back and watch us financially mismanage ourselves into economic oblivion.

The traitors who benefited from our selling out our industrial base and pushing the "service economy" should get the blame they deserve. It has cost our workers, jobs and our investors, capital. We are approaching a point that we will be unable to change course, even if we could agree on a direction to take. Obama is an accelerator to this dismal condition and is totally clueless, corrupt and incompetent.

18 posted on 01/03/2010 12:19:18 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Born Conservative

How is China wrong in watching out of it’s OWN NATIONAL SELF INTERESTS? Isn’t that what responsible nations are supposed to be doing????


19 posted on 01/03/2010 12:19:18 PM PST by artaxerces
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To: FromLori
the Chinese have demonstrated that their default position is that Beijing’s only real priority it to look after its own interests,”

Exactly how different is that from what the British position has been for centuries?

whether it is enforcing its zero tolerance policy on drug abuse or refusing to cooperate with global efforts to reduce carbon emissions. “

And that is bad how?

20 posted on 01/03/2010 12:19:31 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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