Posted on 12/26/2009 1:06:10 PM PST by Colofornian
She might be good people, but anyone constantly yapping on the radio at night drives me nuts. Especially when you want music on for cuddle time. :)
So, are you saying that you are following the examples of Mormon missionaries. I’m thrilled to hear that.
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OK...I was trying not to be direct...use a bit of sarcasm.
So, I'll just be direct. You're encountering "Christians" who were (a) fooling around on the side; and (b) became "Christians" in prison -- only to return there due to a violent crime... (c) only proves that like $, counterfeiters exist. [IOW, it doesn't disprove the reality of either authentic Christians OR authentic $.]
And for you to claim that a Christian witness is "meaningless" to you because of those who have witnessed themselves to be Christians, only to later betray themselves by their lifestyles, is tantamount to saying those who offer you $ in any financial transaction is likewise "meaningless" if you've been burned by counterfeiters in the past.
You are so completely confused I can only say go back and reread what I said. There is NOTHING in what I said that told you what to think or how to live
OK. Let give you an example. I haven't read L. Ron Hubbard's sci-fi books, or his Dianetics book, but let's just say...
(1) that one of Hubbard's sci-fi books is almost "clear" (to use a Scientology term) of veiled references to underlying Scientology philosophy;
(2) then let's say a "Christian" school & "Christian" teacher introduce this singular sci-fi book into a "Christian" curricula;
(3) then let's say a provoked parent disagrees with the school using Hubbard books because even if this one sci-fi book is relatively controversy-free, certainly the author isn't and you need to take all he has written into consideration when you introduce him as an author of "curricula." (Elsewise, what happens when the kid leaves the school, finds other Hubbard books -- including Dianetics -- and then thinks to himself, "Well, my teacher, my school were 'Christians' and they've already OK'd/sanctioned Hubbard stuff"???)
To take this analogy further, what if the above insertion of a Hubbard sci-fi book as "Christian curricula" remained...a parent pulls her kids from that school because of it...and then a follower of Hubbard -- a Scientologist columnist -- starts to lecture this parent for making this parental decision...accusing her of being irrational, bigoted, etc. all because she was exercising parental discretion as to what was going to be sanctioned as "Christian" to her kids?
That in a nutshell is what we have here. And the total lack of discernment by the Christian community -- from...
...the school,
...to other school parents who didn't join Delilah,
...to indifferent Christians who aren't seemingly bothered (which I judge by the lack of posts in this thread from them)
...to others who say, "Gee, I can't seem to understand this bother by provoked Christians?" or "Gee, I can't seem to understand this veiled Scientology-ism" now makes it seem obvious why Jesus was issuing warnings vs. false messiahs (Mt. 24) 2,000 years ago...because it looks to me like many Christians don't have their antennae up to discern what is counterfeit...and why we shouldn't put our stamp of approval on these authors to our next generation.
Appy, in case you didn't see post #10, go back & re-read some of the "7 OTHER principles" Covey adheres to in his book, Divine Center...
Do you so compartmentalize an author that you think students are only going to be influenced in the there & now w/regard to that curricula -- while they potentially ignore other Covey writings?
Or, they come away thinking, "Oh, these Mormons are Christians, after all" -- because they were both approved by their Christian leaders AND they weren't given full-blown Mormonism for them to properly judge what they teach...in this case then, they lose their sensitivity for reaching out to Mormons as a generally lost people group...I say generally because I don't know which Mormons will be saved...I don't know which Mormons will wake up and smell the John 17:3 coffee and begin an eternal relationship with the true God and His Son on this side of the veil.
I think you might have misunderstood me. Just because somebody comes up to me, especially on the internet, and says to that that they have been saved, why should I believe them. Should I believe simply because they said so?
I am berated here because I don’t toe the party line on “true” Christianity and I am told that I haven’t found Christ yet simply because I don’t believe like them, and this is from people who have never met me.
I have yet to meet somebody around here who says, “Hey Urroner, this is what I believe about Christ and this is the evidence of what I believe about Christ.” Instead, I have found people telling me what I believe, even when it isn’t what I believe and people telling me why I’m wrong and then they use scriptures for justification of their rage and anger. But after living in the South for over thirty years, I seen the good and the bad sides of all types of Christianity and to tell you the truth, I prefer to look at the good side, but I haven’t found much of that around here and I keep asking for it and looking for it. Maybe I’ll find it one day.
Maybe Colofornian, you need to wake up and smell the coffee of Christlike love instead of the stench of anger and bitterness.
So basically what you are saying is that anything written or produced by a Mormon should never been used in a proper “true” Christian school.
WHAT I'm saying is that mormons complaining about what they perceive as the methods of others are complete hypocrites!
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It seems to have worked for Joe Smith...
(I looked for it too; but decided it was your fight and could probably handle it.)
Nope:
You are 'berated here' because you ACCEPT all the false premises that MORMONism puts forth and you are not offended by then.
Is your head REALLY that hard?
Over and over MORMONism is denounced and you want to focus instead on mormonS.
Give it up.
;) SOmetimes folks amaze and amuse me....
I actually swiped that from of our discussion earlier, so I could use it as talking points or repost to make a point.
thanks
BYU is a tough team.
Nothing in the 7 habits book struck me as Mormomist, either explicitly or implicitly. I found it very helpful and practical. You could be a person of any faith and apply these simple practices that are more for focusing on good habits.
BYU has got some great recruits coming the next couple of years. They will have a tough time next year, but in two years, they will be a team to reckon with. I really hope TCU kicks butt in their bowl game.
Give what up? Give up the gospel of Jesus Christ because some people not willing to talk about their beliefs and are too eager to attack the beliefs of others demand me to do so? Sorry, but Christ has taught me differently.
Give up because some people have learnt how to cherry-pick quotations and how to cut and paste hundreds of lines without any explanation, nah, I don’t think so. Why would I?
Give up what Christ has shown me because people chose to denigrate my beliefs while refusing to show the light that they claim Christ has given them from under a bushel. Why should I?
You tell me I’m wrong, yet you refuse to tell me why you are right. Why should I believe you?
You condemn Mormons for following the arm of man since they have prophets, living prophets, yet you demand that we accept what you say simply because you believe it. Well, Christ hasn’t told me to follow what you have told me, so if I were to accept what you said, then I would truly be following the arm of man. No, I’ll still just stick to what the Holy Ghost has shown me.
You condemn me and my fellow Mormons for being arrogant and for thinking that we are better than others, yet you display those same traits in all their glory. You condemn us for what you do.
Just like those two Evangelical scholars said, you are losing the battle and you don’t even know it. And why don’t you know it, because you have closed you eyes and continue to do the mantra that Pharisees used so ineffectively against Christ.
You refuse to discuss issues, your only desire is to destroy the faith of all those who believe differently from you. I thought that a Christlike person would want to build the faith of others and not destroy it.
Christ asked us to let our lights so shine, yet your main goal, as far as I can see, is to snuff out the lights of others.
Christ has asked you to be a fisher of men, but instead of using a net to bring many to Christ, you use a trident to try to kill.
Thirty years ago, I was like you. I wanted to show others all the things they believed were wrong. I destroyed a preacher in front of his family by hammering him with scriptures. I felt great, well, I felt great until I say my prayers that night before going to bed and God let me know that what I had done was against His will. I had been called to show His light to others, but I was only trying to snuff it out. Because of this, I don’t use His word as weapons anymore.
If you truly think that you’re doing any good and bringing other to Christ by venting you anger and bitterness against us Mormons, by all means, please continue to do so. If you believe that is exactly what Christ wants you to do, then please do exactly what Christ has asked you to do.
If at the end of the day, when you go to the Lord in prayer, you can hear the Father saying to you “My child, I am pleased with you, you have brought more love to all of my children today,” then you are truly doing the Father’s will and not your will.
A clear conscience is softer than any pillow at nighttime.
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