lj: Comparing blacks to homosexuals [...] is very offensive to black people.
Oh, please. The liberal game of knee-jerk offendedness won’t work here.
lj: No liberal crap on my part, only on yours. My friend and many other blacks do not like their inherent race which is benign, to be compared to sexual deviancy.
lj: If a homosexual holds conservative viewpoints, he will eschew the homosexual agenda. Black conservatives will also eschew liberalism that is spouted by blacks or people of any other color.
I put it to you that this specific comparison is obviously apt and accurate. If anything there is even more of an attempt by the left to “templatize,” blacks, if only because their numbers (and potential votes) are greater.
lj: Exactly so, leftists love to put people in boxes and give them false or separate identities - divide and conquer!
lj: People are born black (or white, etc) and it is a neutral characteristic that has nothing to do with character or behavior, and cannot be changed.
You and I, as conservatives, believe that race and ethnicity are properly neutral wrt to political ideology. Liberals and leftists (and other bigoted extremists) obviously believe no such thing. They believe, and loudly and persistently insist, that blacks should be liberal and left, and vote Democrat, because they are black.
lj: I am a conservative. I don’t know about you, since you are spouting quite a bit of sexual identity political pro-”gay” agenda nonsense.
And guess what. Lots of blacks buy that. Indeed most blacks appear to conform to this expectation. As a group, blacks consistently vote overwhelmingly for liberal Democrats, by over 90 percent. (Even though objective polling indicates their views on most issues are more often in line with those of conservative Republicans.)
lj: I agree.
So you and I, as conservatives
lj: I am conservative, you are a mixed bag apparently.
, are pleased and encouraging when conservative blacks speak out and openly challenge the template. You and I, as conservatives, consider it important — given the constant campaign by race hustlers, the MSM and the intelligentsia to “templatize” them — that at least some conservative blacks do so.
Yet suddenly, when conservative homosexuals do exactly the same, you inconsistently insist that the leftist template is correct.
lj: Your efforts to paint opposition to the “gay” agenda and homosexual identity as equivalent to race as leftist are not only a stretch so big you’d have to be a Chinese contortionist to succeed, but are also transparently false.
lj: WTH?? I am “shunning and marginalizing” them? Sounds like leftist psycho-manipulation-speak to me! Homosexuals are busy marginalizing themselves right into the sewer!
lj: I say exactly that. If any homosexual is conservative and leaves his pervesion in the bedroom where it belongs, I have no problem with such people voting conservative and espousing conservative ideals and convictions. But as soon as they publicly affirm and promote perversion, they have left conservatism, are promoting the “gay” agenda which is all about domination and fascist control. And by supporting the “gay” agenda, so have you.
Which is what GOProud is trying to do, in part with their participation in CPAC. They're rejecting the "homosexual agenda" mapped out by the left, and asserting that conservatism is as good for gays as for anybody else. But most here are protesting against their participation in CPAC.
IOW, they (and you) seem to be saying that gays should not (or for some reason cannot?) eschew the (leftist) homosexual agenda without miraculously developing an attraction to the opposite sex. I.e. they cannot simultaneously be both conservative, or even anti-left, and homosexual.
To me that seems as stupid and irrational as claiming, oh, let me think of a "behaviorial" analogy if that suits you better... O.K. Folk music. I like folk music, and bluegrass, and blues, and even the occasional "hippie jam band". Are most people who like the same kind of music leftoids? Heck yeah. Does that mean that I must suddenly start disliking folk music just because I'm conservative? Obviously not. It means I may not listen to certain songs or performers. I will get upset or roll my eyes at political diatribes delivered from the stage. It means I will reject the leftist "folk music agenda". But it doesn't mean I will (or should) develop an aversion to the music, or suddenly start preferring Pat Boone recordings.
Breifly back to my comparison of the situation of black conservatives and gay conservatives, you now have me confused. From your comments I can't tell if you're still offended, as you seem to be in some places, or if you concede the point as to the limited comparison I actually made, as you seem to agree with it at other points:
Exactly so, leftists love to put people in boxes and give them false or separate identities - divide and conquer!
In any case I'll repeat, even though it should have been obvious initially, that I was not comparing being black to being gay in any general sense. I was comparing a specific circumstance shared by both groups: that leftists and their cultural stooges aggressively promote acquiescence to leftism as normative and necessary to group membership. IOW, blacks are constantly told they should be liberal and left because they're black, and gays are told they should be liberal and left because they're gay.
I think both these assertions are false. You and many other freepers here seem to think only the first is false, but that the other is essentially true. I consider that position inconsistent.