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To: little jeremiah
lj: If a homosexual holds conservative viewpoints, he will eschew the homosexual agenda.

Which is what GOProud is trying to do, in part with their participation in CPAC. They're rejecting the "homosexual agenda" mapped out by the left, and asserting that conservatism is as good for gays as for anybody else. But most here are protesting against their participation in CPAC.

IOW, they (and you) seem to be saying that gays should not (or for some reason cannot?) eschew the (leftist) homosexual agenda without miraculously developing an attraction to the opposite sex. I.e. they cannot simultaneously be both conservative, or even anti-left, and homosexual.

To me that seems as stupid and irrational as claiming, oh, let me think of a "behaviorial" analogy if that suits you better... O.K. Folk music. I like folk music, and bluegrass, and blues, and even the occasional "hippie jam band". Are most people who like the same kind of music leftoids? Heck yeah. Does that mean that I must suddenly start disliking folk music just because I'm conservative? Obviously not. It means I may not listen to certain songs or performers. I will get upset or roll my eyes at political diatribes delivered from the stage. It means I will reject the leftist "folk music agenda". But it doesn't mean I will (or should) develop an aversion to the music, or suddenly start preferring Pat Boone recordings.

Breifly back to my comparison of the situation of black conservatives and gay conservatives, you now have me confused. From your comments I can't tell if you're still offended, as you seem to be in some places, or if you concede the point as to the limited comparison I actually made, as you seem to agree with it at other points:

Exactly so, leftists love to put people in boxes and give them false or separate identities - divide and conquer!

In any case I'll repeat, even though it should have been obvious initially, that I was not comparing being black to being gay in any general sense. I was comparing a specific circumstance shared by both groups: that leftists and their cultural stooges aggressively promote acquiescence to leftism as normative and necessary to group membership. IOW, blacks are constantly told they should be liberal and left because they're black, and gays are told they should be liberal and left because they're gay.

I think both these assertions are false. You and many other freepers here seem to think only the first is false, but that the other is essentially true. I consider that position inconsistent.

289 posted on 12/24/2009 7:11:54 PM PST by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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To: Stultis

I really don’t have time to debate point by point, and after reading your latest response, have lost interest in doing so. Fair debate is one thing, nonsense is another and is very boring.

You are creating straw men in my stead. I am not saying that homosexuals must be healed of all same sex attraction to qualify as conservatives, and you are smart enough to know that that is not at all what I said or meant.

Now you are comparing musical taste to homosexuality, another pathetic attempt to normalize the pathological condition of homosexuality.

You are misusing your intelligence to push the normalization of homosexuality. There is no point in any further discussion.

I will boil it down to very simple points, that anyone who is not duplicitous can easily grasp.

1. The condition of homosexuality - same sex attraction disorder - is a psychological and sexual aberration and dysfunction, and societal evil, and a moral and character failing.

2. The condition itself is sometimes chosen (I’ve read homosexuals saying this very thing - they chose to be “gay”) and sometimes not, often not.

3. Homosexual acts, OTOH, are voluntary. Anyone could have all kinds of sinful, aberrant, immoral or just plain weird thoughts and desires cross their mind. Actually, everyone has all kinds of thoughts that cross the mind like clouds in the sky. Do we follow every single desire or thought? No. So every homosexual act - just like every sexual act - is chosen. People can tell themselves “go for it” or “no way”.

4. There are countless former homosexuals, thus attesting to the fact that it is not an inborn genetic or other type of inalienable condition.

5. Homosexuals who push the “gay” agenda are not welcome as conservatives since the “gay” agenda and all that it implies are Nazi like leftist agendas meant to destroy the freedoms we enjoy as described in the Bill of Rights; those who do not, are.


290 posted on 12/24/2009 7:24:27 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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