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To: DoughtyOne

Well I am giving her some slack at the moment. She was caught between a rock and a hard place after the flap occurred. She didn’t want to offend anyone this early before she even got going on 2012. She is carefully choosing her battles.

The problem as I see it, which I can see why it would cause the people on here to go after her, is why did she even wear a McCain visor anyways? I can understand why then she would get a backlash, especially with her statement added in afterwords.

As I figure it is the same old debate in the past year about whether it was worth voting for McCain or third party.

As you saw last year, unless you were blind, Palin did everything she could to help McCain win. She still hit the campaign hard in her book because they misused her.

But yet she was supportive of McCain. There was no other choice in the matter. He picked her as her VP and she said yes to running for him. She was not the name on the top of the ticket.

Therefore, she wouldn’t be where she was without him. But having said that McCain is a Rhino. And I sometimes have said that it might have been better for Palin if maybe she hadn’t run as VP and had not accepted. Seeing how she lost, the libs go after her, it forced her to resign as governor, and we still had Obama elected anyways.

Another reason is that then it wouldn’t have split the conservatives like it is doing now. Many conservatives, like me, voted for McCain because of Palin and then danced around the issue of McCain being a rino because we voted for Palin and we liked Palin.

Likewise there was the crowd that convinced themselves they voted for the lesser of two evils since Obama is so bad. We had to do everything to defeat him, but we still lost. To which, Glenn Beck added fuel to the fire by saying McCain was worse than Obama.

He was right in the sense that Obama mobilized us to take action. Something that might not have happened under McCain. Especially since Palin would have been the VP.

But with all that being said. Palin put herself then is a no-win situation. She will now always be tied to the 2008 campaign. And therefore, will that can be used against her.

She was hoping the change McCain’s mind on several issues had they won. We were all hoping McCain would see the light if he had won. But frankly, there in lies the problem.

Palin is going to forced to defend McCain at some point. or the rift between them.

which brings me back to the fact that if McCain had never chosen and went with say Pawlenty or Romney. Then Palin would have been better off and I am sure nobody who voted for Palin would have voted McCain.

Thus it would have made thins simpler for us all. For now it even makes us looks like hypocrites.


664 posted on 12/18/2009 3:10:24 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla
Well I am giving her some slack at the moment. She was caught between a rock and a hard place after the flap occurred. She didn’t want to offend anyone this early before she even got going on 2012. She is carefully choosing her battles.  One of my hopes for Sarah, is that she will develop top notch debate techniques.  That can help with the press.  She blurted out too much informaiton.   She should have stopped at the point she explained that this was the only hat available, and didn't want to wear something political that day.  "Don't read anything more into this than that, thank you for coming..." walk away.

The problem as I see it, which I can see why it would cause the people on here to go after her, is why did she even wear a McCain visor anyways? I can understand why then she would get a backlash, especially with her statement added in afterwords.  Look, she was on the ticket.  I don't have a problem with her wearing a hat that was left over.  If it said McCain/Palin on it, so what.  I agree that she said too much.  It was off the cuff, and she may not have meant it like it sounded.  My emphasis, was that it was an unfortunate comment, and would lead folks to wonder if there would be another shoe to drop in the upcoming months.  That's all.  Defending my displeasure at the specific comment, made it sound like I was much more upset with her than I actually was.  Was I right to address the issue.  Why sure.

As I figure it is the same old debate in the past year about whether it was worth voting for McCain or third party.  As it extrapolates out, you're right.  I agree.

As you saw last year, unless you were blind, Palin did everything she could to help McCain win. She still hit the campaign hard in her book because they misused her.  I have defended her running with him, because it couldn't make the ticket more RINOIish.  If anything it would make it less so.  Moderation was what that ticket desperately needed, and Palin was absolutely the right choice.  Her joining him to moderate the ticket, is a whole different animal than backing him against a decent Conservative.

But yet she was supportive of McCain. There was no other choice in the matter. He picked her as her VP and she said yes to running for him. She was not the name on the top of the ticket.  And that's why I couldn't vote for the ticket.  I explained who McCain was, and I got out of the way.  I could never vote for a man who said we have nothing to fear from Obama as president, and that the Democrat party has good values.  Look, if that says I'm deeply flawed, then so be it.  My concience wouldn't let me vote for him.

Therefore, she wouldn’t be where she was without him. But having said that McCain is a Rhino. And I sometimes have said that it might have been better for Palin if maybe she hadn’t run as VP and had not accepted. Seeing how she lost, the libs go after her, it forced her to resign as governor, and we still had Obama elected anyways.  I think those are valid concerns.  What McCain had hoped for, IMO, was for Sarah to help him get elected, then to be jetesoned to the Lyndon Johnson rumble seat for four years.  It didn't turn out that way.  She sparked a firestorm of support for herself, and John was forevermore relegated to being second to her.

Another reason is that then it wouldn’t have split the conservatives like it is doing now. Many conservatives, like me, voted for McCain because of Palin and then danced around the issue of McCain being a rino because we voted for Palin and we liked Palin.  I get it.  I understand.  I'm not going to fault you for it.  You did what you thought you needed to day, and who am I to say whether you were right or I was.  Both options stunk to high heavens.  Imagine the damage to Conservatism's image John McCain would have inflicted by his actions.  Would that have been better, him destroying the perception of our brand evern further?  It's a real quandry IMO.

Likewise there was the crowd that convinced themselves they voted for the lesser of two evils since Obama is so bad. We had to do everything to defeat him, but we still lost. To which, Glenn Beck added fuel to the fire by saying McCain was worse than Obama.  If you think of the Conservative Brand, who could do more damge to it?  Obama can only destroy the Leftist's brand.  McCain is the one who could rule from the Left on many issues, thereby confusing folks as to what Conservatives really believed in.  Don't forget, the media would have described John McCain as a Conservative during his term in office.

He was right in the sense that Obama mobilized us to take action. Something that might not have happened under McCain. Especially since Palin would have been the VP.  Oh, absolutely.  We would have been having this discussion weekly under a McCain presidency.  And that would have destroyed ANY ability to mobilize against bad policy.  Palin would have been muzzled to boot.

But with all that being said. Palin put herself then is a no-win situation. She will now always be tied to the 2008 campaign. And therefore, will that can be used against her.  Palin conducted herself with utmost propriety during that period.  She was a good soldier, operated in a positive manner for the ticket.  She was a good team player, when the play called for a conservative half-back.  I am proud of her performance last year.

She was hoping the change McCain’s mind on several issues had they won. We were all hoping McCain would see the light if he had won. But frankly, there in lies the problem.  Yes, one only need look at the MIA issue vs MFN for Vietnam to realize how far that would have gone.  John McCain wouldn't listen to anyone back then.  He knew right, and everyone else was wrong.  The MIA families and veterans groups will NEVER forget that.  So why should we think he's listen to Sarah?  Well, we don't.

Palin is going to forced to defend McCain at some point. or the rift between them.  When asked earlier this year if he would back Palin for president, he declined.  If I were her, I would state that John was my friend, and I would not be making any statements pro or con his campaign.  That would convey all that needed to be said.  I'm not asking that she take part in gutting this old bastard.  He needs to go, and she shouldn't tarnish her position by being involved in it one way or the other.  I might change my mind over time, but that's how I see it now.

which brings me back to the fact that if McCain had never chosen and went with say Pawlenty or Romney. Then Palin would have been better off and I am sure nobody who voted for Palin would have voted McCain.  I'm sure that's true.  He wouldn't have gotten nearly as many votes.  This did play out well for Palin though.  Her visibility was raised.  She gained national stature.  She is well poised to convert that into a run for the presidency.  I'm glad to see that.  And as long as she minds her ps and qs, I'll continue to be.

Thus it would have made thins simpler for us all. For now it even makes us looks like hypocrites.  It was important to moderate McCain after he obtained the nomination.  There's no disgrace in trying to do that.  There's no disgrace in calling a spade a spade, and explaining what John actually is today.  It was a mistake to nominate him.  We coudln't help it.  Now it's time to make sure we nominate someone better.  And to the extent we can let Palin know that RINOism is not an option, our chances of getting the right wing governance our nation so desperately needs, is enhanced.

Thanks for the comments.

673 posted on 12/18/2009 3:40:46 PM PST by DoughtyOne (People who voted for John McCain, voted for George Soros' business partner.)
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