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To: sam_paine
"Do you suppose the blue states are blue because the GOP is not conservative enough?"

The blue states are bluer and the red states are purple. It's a decades long march to big government control and the GOP has not reversed any of it in all that time. If there is going to be a big government...then we will control it by starting at the bottom and taking over. They will dread the day they ever placed a totalitarian system over the entire nation.

Two can play a grass roots movement game and if history tells us anything...this socialist train is coming to it's fruition and the pendulum will soon swing against it. There is a new wind blowing on the horizon and the old sellouts will be left behind. If that doesn't scare the crap out of some big government blood suckers..I don't know what will. Having control over other peoples lives is not the American way, but if they want to push it..then so be it.

217 posted on 12/07/2009 9:09:34 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: Earthdweller
It's a decades long march to big government control and the GOP has not reversed any of it in all that time.

What evidence do you have, in US or world history that it can ever be reversed within the political system? Even the American Revolution

Yes, the pendulum swings back and forth, but the pivot point keeps sliding slowly left because kids are being taught leftist redistributionist collectivist concepts in public school and media.

They will dread the day they ever placed a totalitarian system over the entire nation.

I doubt it. Sure...the Stalinists are gone. And Yeltsin finally stood on a tank and the commies crumbled.... ooops. That's right, Putin.

The American Revolution II might not work out for the better, either.

219 posted on 12/07/2009 9:37:02 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Earthdweller; sam_paine
If there is going to be a big government...then we will control it by starting at the bottom and taking over. They will dread the day they ever placed a totalitarian system over the entire nation.

Two can play a grass roots movement game and if history tells us anything...this socialist train is coming to it's fruition and the pendulum will soon swing against it. There is a new wind blowing on the horizon and the old sellouts will be left behind. If that doesn't scare the crap out of some big government blood suckers..I don't know what will. Having control over other peoples lives is not the American way, but if they want to push it..then so be it.
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It all sounds so dramatic Earth and I've been to over a dozen Tea Party events - so I'm all for the stopping of the socialist train and the reversal of the pendulum.

But now the fight gets practical and practical fighting means at the state, county and precinct level in the Republican party.

Unless you plan to outdo history. “In the history of the United States, not a single third party has come close to winning the presidency, only 7 3rd parties have even won a single state’s electoral votes and only 5 third parties have won even 10% of the vote.”

I don't like the other alternatives you suggest - letting the leftists destroy the nation, and then kicking their butts out (or something like that.) You can try to qualify that, ‘cause I sure wont. Or mebbe you want to community organize some more - in your own way?

258 posted on 12/07/2009 4:16:49 PM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773!)
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