Posted on 12/05/2009 11:19:27 PM PST by Yomin Postelnik
There is currently a move underway to discredit Mike Huckabee over the rightful pardoning of a then 16 year old who had been sentenced to 108 years on robbery charges. I make this statement as someone who fully supports the death penalty for murderers and for child rapists, but also as someone who recognizes that getting tough on crime means fostering sensible rehabilitation, not turning first time offenders into violent career criminals.
Yes, Governor Huckabee pardoned more people than most governors do. That’s because Gov. Huckabee isn’t thoughtless, callous or cruel and recognizes that public service actually entails service to the public. Sentencing a 16 year old to months of hard labor generally serves as the greatest deterrent (except in cases of murder and the like). By contrast, sentencing a teen to years in prison has almost inevitably bred nothing more than a violent menaces to society.
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I’m actually arguing for sane sentences such as hard labor, that cuts recidivism rates into a fraction of what they are. And yes, I believe that 108 years, or 26 years if the guy gets parole - a big if, is an excessive sentence, not just a stiff one.
post #30....Well, if you’d stop faulting him for not having hindsight vision and look at the actual effects of long sentences, you’d see that it’s the system you advocate for that led to child rape and murder and everything else you list, not his parole.
I could go on but really can't see wasting my time on you. I think you are very mentally challenged. You want to give people hard labor & think that is going to make them better people when they get out....That is a good one. Yes I can type & I can read & I can see that you are part of the problem why criminals get out of jail too early & go on to rape & kill. In answer to your question about speeders & jay walkers. Don't speed, don't jay walk. If you do pay your fines. And I gave you a perfect example of judges letting people out of jail too early or even letting them out when I posted about Duncan & Shasta Groene. I guess jail made him into a monster also. No mention about that case hmmm? Does it cross your pea brain that some people are just born evil or chose to be evil? And no amount of jail time or trying to rehabilitate them is going to change that. Chew on that.
That is an outright lie and you know it.
You should read the following article before you buy that story.
Huckabee is lying about cop killer's age and criminal record in Arkansas
Talk about misleading. I said nothing about him being executed nor did the article that I linked to.
I don't think you even read it. It outlines numerous violent incidents he was involved in in his eight felony convictions and his outbursts in court.
Baloney. You are pushing the same misleading BS that Huckabee is.
* Sentenced to 5 years for robbery in Pulaski County, Aug. 3, 1989.
* Sentenced to 8 years for burglary, theft and probation revocation in Pulaski County, Sept. 9, 1989
* Sentenced to an indeterminate amount for aggravated robbery and theft in Pulaski County, Nov. 15, 1989
* Sentenced to 20 years each for burglary and theft of property in Pulaski County, Feb. 23, 1990.
* Sentenced to 6 years for firearm possession in Pulaski County, Nov. 19, 1990.The record shows Clemmons went on a crime spree in 1988-89. In November 1988, Clemmons punched a 7th grader in the face and stole his necklace. That resulted in the initial 5-year sentence.
Clemmons turned 17 years old in February 1989. In April of that year, he broke into an Arkansas state trooper's home and stole $6,700 worth of items, including a gun. A couple of weeks later, Clemmons was arrested for bringing a gun on school property.
Less than two weeks later after the gun incident, Maurice Clemmons and an accomplice were arrested for two separate robberies on the same night. They robbed a woman in front of an Arkansas bar. Clemmons claimed he had a gun. The woman said, "Well, why don't you just shoot?". Clemmons punched her in the head and snatched her purse.
35 minutes later, Clemmons and his friend hit a man in the head and stole his $500 gold chain in front of a convenience store. They were also questioned about two other similar robberies and one attempted robbery that occurred the same night.
There were also three separate courtroom incidents in 1990 where Clemmons tried to use a weapon against a judge, threw a padlock at a bailiff, and tried to take a guard's pistol. A judge ordered Clemmons be placed in leg shackles because he felt Clemmons has threatened him. Clemmons also displayed very erratic behavior during the trial, mumbling loudly throughout the proceedings. He also made an obscene gesture toward a state trooper testifying against him. There is a definite pattern of showing a complete lack of respect, and a lot of hostility, toward authority figures.
Clemmons would not have been eligible for parole until 2015. Mike Huckabee's commutation in 2000 made him eligible immediately. Clemmons was granted parole just one month later. He was sentenced to 108 total years for 8 different felonies. Clemmons served only 11.
Then you can't read or you're a liar. For starters he was 17 when he committed his second offense of the five incidents that got him eight felony convictions. So the BS about him being 16 when he committed his "crime" is just that.The account I just posted shows numerous incidents of violence. He punches a 7th grader, a woman, a guy on the street, makes a threat on the judge in court, throws a padlock at a bailiff and tries to take a guard's gun. So don't give me your crapola about "I see burglary, theft and firearm possession before..."
Grow up and stop lying to me.
He apparently wasn't opposed to the sentence 11 years earlier either. If Huckabee had passed him over he would have been up for parole in 2015. That would have been 26 years so throwing around the 108 year sentence is disingenuous.
Huckabee also threw the race card on Geraldo tonight to make excuses for himself and that really burns me. He did it in the same self-serving and dishonest way Sharpton does.
He would have done far better for himself if he had just offered his condolences to the families of the slain officers and his regret that a decision he had made many years ago had let this guy go. That and then refuse to discuss it further.
His behavior was clearly violent and disturbed from the start. You’re lying when you try to spin it differently.
We don't do labor camps in this country. Not much anyway. There used to be prison labor camps in places but I don't think there is any evidence that they reduced recidivism in violent offenders.
In addition our courts have mostly ruled that kind of treatment out. All anybody would have to do is come up with some "condition" preventing them from doing any labor and that would be it. They would just skate through their short sentence.
Besides, you're putting responsibility for someone's actions on the authorities who enforce the laws. That is liberal horse shit thinking.
That is clearly not ranting and I put forth plenty of information to discuss. So far you haven't discussed anything with me, with pandoraou812 or with anyone else on this thread. Your view has been "my way or the highway" from the start. Please don't try to run for office again. We have enough politicians who refuse to listen to anyone else. We have enough liars too.
I’m not just talking about you. There are plenty of Romney guys on this thread. But I apologize for inferring that you were one.
As to the substance, I’ll grant you that you didn’t say universal wage control.
That said, I don’t think Adam Smith was as libertarian as the philosophy that you are putting forward. Gov. Jeb Bush set strict anti-gouging policies and not one conservative legislator ever objected. The government does have a regulatory place.
I see a clear difference between gouging and honest earnings of the fruits of ones labors. The store owner stocking up for clients only gives that owner the right to keep whatever he/she wants. If he engages in free commerce, he should be fined if he uses his position and peoples’ trust to jack up prices. It’s not stealing but it is cheating and unfair game.
But if I were to agree with you, and now that you’ve explained it I do at least respect your point of view, I still wouldn’t go after Huckabee alone on this - as every governor in the US has the same policy. I’d say there’s a fiscal problem and advocate for your favored economic policy.
Just as I find it objectionable for everyone to pile on Huckabee for doing what most governors would have done (and what the trial judge would have done), I also find the blame assigned to Huckabee over price gouging measures to be unwarranted if every other governor gets a pass for doing the exact same thing.
Again, sorry for the harsh tone that I should have reserved for TigerEyes, his tagteam pal and a few others. But I still strongly disagree with your point of view, although I am interested in hearing your refutation.
The funniest line in that post is your assertion that “that is clearly not ranting.” In all of your pasting, you’d be hard pressed to find a single sentence without an expletive and would be even more hard pressed to find a single logical argument.
Btw, “you’re a liar” is not a logical argument.
As to the cut and paste bio of Clemmons, we’ve dealt with it ad nauseam. Try to read my responses and, if you disagree, state why. Because if you don’t I’m tempted to respond to everyone who of your “you’re a liar”s with a good and helpful “you need Hooked on Phonics”.
There is not a single expletive in any of my posts. Yet another lie.
What is this "tagteam pal" stuff? I didn't ping anyone to this thread. Is everyone who disagrees with you my tagteam pal? That's quite a few FReepers. You are the one who included pandoraou812 in a post to me.
I am pinging her to this post per FReeper etiquette.
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...It is a duck! I’ve seen some odd ducks on here but this one quacks the most. He’s quackers....
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...It is a duck! I’ve seen some odd ducks on here but this one quacks the most. He’s quackers....
You’re my tagteam pal now, pandy. I bet you didn’t know that when you came to this thread and posted. LOL
Sorry for the double post. My laptop doesn’t like ducks.
I couldn’t be in better company. I could ping some of my tagteam pals but why bother? If they all came on this thread we would be here forever.
You are drawing an analogy between speeding and jay walking vs. aggravated assault and battery. That is insane.
There is another post that makes no sense to me. Yet he says we are mentally challanged? Go figure!
Anyone who willfully and repeatedly characterizes aggravated assault as "petty theft" when confronted with a record of repeated arrests and convictions has no honesty in them.
I was shocked when I first began to read his posts in the beginning. I responded to one of them before I even knew you were on this thread. I really don’t care what he thinks about me. But to attack FReepers who I admire & it wasn’t just you was too much. I hope this person doesn’t get elected to any public office, even as a dog catcher. I doubt he could do the job.
Ah, you’re glasses broke. Now I understand.....
Read any study on recidivism. Read any stat or article on radical Islamic recruitment. Read anything at all and think for one second instead of typing so much. If you admittedly haven’t read anything on those issues, then stop talking so much (actually, in your case, I should say stop ranting and raving so much - as your blather can hardly be characterized as “talking”).
Btw It is funny how quickly you stop sounding like a crazed loon the moment you decide to feign indignation.
Just wondering where you draw the line. It’s an appropriate question for someone who advocates life sentences for teen burglars across the board.
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