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To: GourmetDan
Where are YOUR references that they do not? You chimed in saying things 180 degrees off kilter to what geneticists have said for years and that they have confirmed by data; and it is I who need to provide references?

Geocentric idiocy duly noted.

Here is a reference, in complete agreement with what is known about human and chimp chromosomal alignment; and completely at odds with your ignorant and unreferenced hogwash...

http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm

Evidence for fusing of two ancestral chromosomes to create human chromosome 2 and where there has been no fusion in other Great Apes is:

1) The analogous chromosomes (2p and 2q) in the non-human great apes can be shown, when laid end to end, to create an identical banding structure to the human chromosome 2. (1)

2) The remains of the sequence that the chromosome has on its ends (the telomere) is found in the middle of human chromosome 2 where the ancestral chromosomes fused. (2)

3) the detail of this region (pre-telomeric sequence, telomeric sequence, reversed telomeric sequence, pre-telomeric sequence) is exactly what we would expect from a fusion. (3)

4) this telomeric region is exactly where one would expect to find it if a fusion had occurred in the middle of human chromosome 2.

5) the centromere of human chromosome 2 lines up with the chimp chromosome 2p chromosomal centromere.

6) At the place where we would expect it on the human chromosome we find the remnants of the chimp 2q centromere (4).

Not only is this strong evidence for a fusion event, but it is also strong evidence for common ancestry; in fact, it is hard to explain by any other mechanism.

273 posted on 12/04/2009 7:24:40 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
"Where are YOUR references that they do not? You chimed in saying things 180 degrees off kilter to what geneticists have said for years and that they have confirmed by data; and it is I who need to provide references?"

Well, if geneticists have said it for years and it has been confirmed by data, it should not be a problem for you to provide a peer-reviewed reference.

"Here is a reference..."

That reference merely repeats the faulty generalization error you committed earlier.

I should have been more precise in asking for a peer-reviewed reference. Not only for the supposed fusion but also for the genes supposedly lining up.

Surely you can do better than that if geneticists have said it for years and it has been confirmed by data.

"Geocentric idiocy duly noted."

What part of "People need to be aware that there is a range of models that could explain the observations,” Ellis argues. “For instance, I can construct you a spherically symmetrical universe with Earth at its center, and you cannot disprove it based on observations.” do you not understand?

277 posted on 12/04/2009 7:53:41 AM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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