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Indian air force grounds fighter jets after crash (Sukhoi-30MKI)
BBC ^ | Dec 2, 2009 | Unknown

Posted on 12/02/2009 6:27:12 AM PST by decimon

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has grounded its entire fleet of Sukhoi fighter jets after one crashed during a routine training exercise in Rajasthan state.

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Monday's crash was the second such incident involving a Sukhoi fighter jet this year.

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(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace

1 posted on 12/02/2009 6:27:13 AM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

This is considered to be the most advanced fighter in the world adside from the F-22.

Not good. This aircraft is a SU-20 varient in development since the 70’s and it still has issues. LOL


2 posted on 12/02/2009 6:33:38 AM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: Carbonsteel

Yah buy trash, yah get get trash.


3 posted on 12/02/2009 6:46:34 AM PST by redstateconfidential (`)
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To: Carbonsteel

More used parts showing up in Russian new plane sales?


4 posted on 12/02/2009 6:47:12 AM PST by 1776 Reborn
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To: decimon

5 posted on 12/02/2009 6:57:19 AM PST by Skid Marx
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The President of India flew in an SU-30 just a few days ago.


6 posted on 12/02/2009 7:06:47 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: Carbonsteel
I'll bet you laugh each time an F-15, F-16, F/A-18, et al crashes.

You probably had a good chuckle the last time an F-22 was lost.

7 posted on 12/02/2009 7:54:33 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

That is a heck of a way to twist a comment around.


8 posted on 12/02/2009 8:23:25 AM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: decimon

Anyone seen sukhoi-30mki? What are his thoughts on this?


9 posted on 12/02/2009 8:57:42 AM PST by cranked
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To: cranked
Anyone seen sukhoi-30mki?

He'll probably drop in.

10 posted on 12/02/2009 9:07:10 AM PST by decimon
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To: cranked; decimon

Too early to say what the cause(s) of the crash is. While there were reports years ago of engine troubles, the SU-30 has had a pretty good record in the Indian air force ever since it entered service in 1997. The fleet however has been grounded for inspections.


11 posted on 12/02/2009 9:11:26 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Has India contacted Sukhoi/Russia on this matter?

Does Sukhoi have any investigative teams on site or inbound to help determine the problem(s)?


12 posted on 12/02/2009 9:15:15 AM PST by cranked
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To: cranked

The Russian did set up domestic facilities in India for the SU-30 a few years back, so they do have personnel in the country. I believe the fighter that crashed was an Indian built variant.


13 posted on 12/02/2009 9:25:40 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Understood, thanks.


14 posted on 12/02/2009 9:34:58 AM PST by cranked
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To: Carbonsteel; A.A. Cunningham
I believe AA.C.Ham was raising the point that the 'lol' at the plane crashing seems a tad ironic considering that on our side planes also crash ...including the F-22 Raptor (or for that matter, just google F-18 crash and see what comes up). Stuff happens, ranging from human error to mechanical failure to plain ol' Murphy mucking things up ...but unless it is an enemy's plane the 'LOL' is out of place.

It reminds me of the usual posts on FR whenever a foreign fighter (e.g. the Rafale) is on a thread, whereby by the third or fourth post someone will say how it has the RCS the size of a barn (or something along those lines) ...not considering that the Rafale has a very small RCS (not stealth, but discrete), while a US plane like the F-15 Eagle has a greater RCS than the B-52 bomber! Yet, anytime you see a thread about a Gripen, Typhoon, Rafale etc you'll always see those silly comments, yet a thread on the block-60 F-16 or the F-15E is weirdly silent ...!

Anyways, back on topic ...a 'LOL' is out of place for a nation which will be arguably our greatest ally (next to Australia, and to a lesser extent Japan) in the region against a rising China. Furthermore, unless no SuperHornets and Vipers (and even Raptors) are crashing, it is a spot hypocritical.

15 posted on 12/02/2009 2:06:20 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz

Ok, my comment had nothing to do with India.

I just think that as long as this aircraft has been in development and as much tech as the Russians STOLE and continue to steal, that is somewhat laughable that they are still having issues with it.

Yes we have problems with our aircraft as well, but we didn’t steal the technology to design and build them. I suppose I should have been more clear. I wouldn’t want to offend anyone and I realize we are fast becoming the nation of the offended.


16 posted on 12/05/2009 7:39:11 AM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: decimon

Bump


17 posted on 12/05/2009 7:40:45 AM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Carbonsteel
Well, a couple of things. First of all, aircraft crash. It's a matter of aviation life ...pilots make errors, systems fail, maintenance is overlooked, or just plain bad luck happens. When it happens planes fail, and if not recovered or recovarable, crash. It is not about time of development ...if it was about time then F18s F16s and the like would not crash now, would they? If it was about availability of money and top-notch maintenance, then the couple of F22 Raptor crashes, or the B2 Spirit Stealth Bomber crash would not have happened now, would they? Crap happens, and sometimes that is due to pilot error, mechanical failure, maintenance issues, or (in the case of the B2) moisture condensation leading to a system problem and the crash of a billion dollar plus flying wonder! Crap happens, and every pilot worth his or her salt knows that, which is why you don't see them making nigh ludicrous 'lol' comments.

As for the stolen technology, pray do tell exactly what technology in the SU 30 MKI was stolen by the Russians? Specifically, or is it one of those 'I heard' stories? We are talking about the SU 30 MKI specifically, since that is the plane that crashed. To make it easier for you, use any SU 30, or for that matter, go back to even the first production SU 27 and its prototypes. Knock yourself out ....just remember to check dates. Also, what about the aspects of the plane developed by the Israelis, the Indians and the French? I'm curious what exactly was stolen.... since you put that in ALL CAPS you must be knowing. Right? Should I bother holding my breath for a cogent answer?

18 posted on 12/06/2009 8:35:18 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Carbonsteel

Also, I’m not American so the whole nation of the offended doesn’t apply. I welcome the feeling of getting offended, if in the process I learn something, develop myself, or get edified in some way or form. Thus, no offense taken.


19 posted on 12/06/2009 8:39:57 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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