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To: sickoflibs

“Liberated??? They were better off under Saddam then the huge mess he created during 2005-2007 and much safer. “

That is a totally ridiculous statement based upon propaganda put out by liberals. Iraqis are much much much better off for us getting rid of that tyrant for them. People, you need to learn to discern facts and truth from the propaganda...it is important...your very lives may depend upon that in the future and others lives will definitely depend upon it.

You do not seem to understand that we are fighting a war. The War On Terror is real sickoflibs, if we stop fighting today the war would not be over. There are ebbs and flows in all wars, this one included. What has hurt us more than anything is the aiding and abetting of the left to help the terrorists. This war would probably have been over by now had we had the real support of the left in our country, but they decided that there were political advantages to ‘warring against our President and Republican congress’ and to their shame they helped kill our soldiers and to prolong the war.

I think that TARP that President Bush accepted was necessary and the correct way to do it...no strings attached. It saved our economy.

The No Child Left Behind act was a good thing and has resulted in improvement in minority children education. The unions and leftists have always battled it because it was a threat to their monopoly/political power corrupt relationship between the teachers union and the democrat party.

Indeed, Ford just gave the teacher’s union 100 million dollars...most understand this is really a payoff to the democrat party for help they received or hope to receive.

I don’t think you have a good grasp of the situation sickoflibs. You are at the right internet site to get better informed. You may also want to get a subscription to the Wall Street Journal and read the comments as well as the articles. I know it really brings more truth to light for me.


139 posted on 12/03/2009 6:26:04 AM PST by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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To: Wpin; ohioWfan; sickoflibs

If you think TARP saved the economy then you are a Keynesian liberal. You will not be “informing” anyone who is conservative. If you think W was right to “abandon his free market principles to save the free market”, you are unable to have an intelligent conversation about the economy.

As far as the war, we will never have the support of the left in this or any other country. We need to win it. How can we do that with wide open borders, courtesy of our liberal ex president W? He handed the keys to the car over to a Marxist regime which could not have inflicted NEARLY as much damge as fast as they have if W hadn’t TARPED us, nationalized the banks, doubled the size of govt, allowed the Fed to dangerously accelerate monetization of our debt, and left the borders wide open. He was not a conservative. He screwed us royally, and set us up for the total rape we’re getting now.

Now it’s time for you (like ohioWfan likes to do) call me liberal troll, etc. Funny, I accuse W of being liberal (as any real conservative would) and get called liberal.


155 posted on 12/03/2009 8:04:54 AM PST by genetic homophobe (They hate Sarah because she lovingly carries a failed abortion on her hip.)
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To: Wpin; stephenjohnbanker; dools007; rabscuttle385; mkjessup; genetic homophobe; Landru; Impy; ...
RE :”;I don’t think you have a good grasp of the situation sickoflibs. You are at the right internet site to get better informed.

You are right. thanks for the suggestion. I was taking your advice reading here and found these thoughtful comments by you 'Wpin' and learned alot:

John McCain should be given credit for doing as he has always done, even when we didn’t appreciate it, what he believes is right for the country without regard for his own reward #101

The party is being lead towards the right direction for us...and it is McCain who is leading #7

President Bush has been one of the most effective and successful Presidents in modern history. He does not sit below Ronald Reagan historically, he sets beside him #39

McCain won’t quit on you, President Bush didn’t quit on you. Look in the mirror people, there you will find the quitters #80

I contributed to McCain last night. I sent a larger amount than I had planned and had a moment of regret (financially) but we are fighting for our nation and our very way of life. So many others have given their lives for those same things, a few bucks is a paltry sacrifice.#34

240 posted on 12/04/2009 7:05:35 PM PST by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: Wpin; ohioWfan; sickoflibs; mkjessup; stephenjohnbanker; cripplecreek; DoughtyOne; exit82; Impy; ...
That is a totally ridiculous statement based upon propaganda put out by liberals. Iraqis are much much much better off for us getting rid of that tyrant for them...

I think that TARP that President Bush accepted was necessary and the correct way to do it...no strings attached. It saved our economy...

The No Child Left Behind act was a good thing and has resulted in improvement in minority children education...

Oh dear, how shall I even begin to address this sort of political relativism you two Bushbots seem to have been indoctrinated with?

One, the purpose of the United States armed services is to defend United States territory, property, and lawful residents. PERIOD. Not the advancement of human "freedom," especially if such "freedom" is purchased using funds taken from the future earnings of present and future United States citizens, or, in other words, through the exchange of one American's freedom for the freedom of someone else in the world who has no stake, no claim, or obligation to the United States or to the various States.

To quote Reagan's famous 27 Oct. 1964 speech:

And in that sentence he told us the entire story. If we lose freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth...This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.

Or, in other words, you are praising an act in which the freedom of future Americans was involuntarily traded away for the freedom of another individual somewhere else in this world. You are praising an act in which "a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol" decided for millions of young Americans, and even millions of those unborn, how they should run their lives--i.e., by committing their future tax dollars to Big Government give-aways around the world--and they did so without the consent of those individuals.

That isn't conservative, nor is it pro-America, pro-freedom, or pro-Constitution. It is, however, despicable, disgusting, and morally repugnant, and the fact that you two endorse such acts in full knowledge of their impropriety means that you are either stupid, too indoctrinated to know any better, or willingly in bed with the rest of the traitors in Washington, New York, Chicago, Boston, Los Angeles, and San Francisco.

Two, the rule of law demands that no one, not even the Government, is above the law.

The ends never justify the means, otherwise committing a partial-birth abortion to develop medical cures that save the lives of hundreds would be justified, a logical contradiction to the notion that all individuals are "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Three, neither TARP nor No Child Left Behind nor the Big Government give-aways in foreign lands are explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution. That you are advocating for such un-Constitutional actions by the Federal government signifies either stupidity, ignorance, or elitism on your part; either way, you appear to have zero respect for the Constitution except when your bunch of statists is out of power and your left-wing counterparts are busy growing the Federal government in a direction that doesn't meet with your agenda of reshaping the world in ways that you deem appropriate.

You do not seem to understand that we are fighting a war. The War On Terror is real sickoflibs, if we stop fighting today the war would not be over. There are ebbs and flows in all wars, this one included. What has hurt us more than anything is the aiding and abetting of the left to help the terrorists.

Why don't you go chew on this, Bushbot?

You and I are told increasingly we have to choose between a left or right. Well I'd like to suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There's only an up or down -- [up] man's old -- old-aged dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. And regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would trade our freedom for security have embarked on this downward course.

Want to fight a war? Fine. Then play by the rules, lawfully declare the war, and actually fight instead of engaging in nation-building and handing out U.S. taxpayer dollars like there's no tomorrow.

241 posted on 12/04/2009 7:53:49 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: Wpin
That is a totally ridiculous statement based upon propaganda put out by liberals. Iraqis are much much much better off for us getting rid of that tyrant for them.

Obviously you've never been to Iraq. We have made a huge mess of that nation and for no good reason at all. Our invasion of that nation was all good for nobody. I just got back in August from that cess pool and you can see evidence of the old infrastructure from before we invaded. Simply put: Those people require (due to their religion) an absolute tyrant to control them. It's their belief. Our type of Christian freedom is sinful to their Islamic beliefs. That's why we'll never build a democracy there...NEVER! I hope this is a lesson for future wars. We go in, kick @$$, then leave.

252 posted on 12/05/2009 6:31:31 PM PST by Engineer_Soldier (My oath is to the Constitution, not to the state or the President. http://oathkeepers.org/oath/)
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