Posted on 12/01/2009 7:43:51 PM PST by Bigtigermike
Three months ago, I joined a number of Americans in urging President Obama to provide the resources necessary to achieve our goals in Afghanistan. Tonight, I am glad he mostly heeded that advice........
I bet you'd love to to silence to entire Freerepublic too you 0bamabot troll. Nothing new here. The loony left have been crushing free speech for centuries. Stalin would have been proud to employ you as one of his “reign of terror” goons.
Now take you tall tales elsewhere.
NOW was the time, and she WAS critical of the part of the plan that is liberal appeasement idiocy.
How two dimensional, how infantile, how moronic to let your opponent dictate your stance. For the surge while 0bama was dithering, but against the surge when he implements it? Yeah, that is Presidential.... NOT!
Luckily Sarah Palin is much more politically astute than the mouth breathing firebrand zealot her opponents try to characterize her as. But I guess nothing less will satisfy the moth breathing firebrand zealots.
Now how the hack do you now that?
Well, we do know he never did!
We win, they lose. Duh!
Defeat: We pull out and the Taliban take back over the country and provide a safe haven for Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. They perform mass murder of everyone who even thought about democracy or freedom or even just living in peace.
Victory: We use overwhelming force to seal off the border with PAHKiSTAN and cut off the escape routes. We get the Pakistanis to work from the other side to squeeze them. Kill them all. (Pakistan is the bigger threat to fall into the wrong hands anyway because of the nukes.) We go into each region, get support from the tribal leaders, and unlease the full force of the US military to wipe out the Taliban. We then leave behind a force large enough to hold the area. Once an area is secured, we work on schools, roads and infrastructure to improve their quality of life. We train their young people to defend themselves. (A very large part of their population is under 25 years old. They don’t even remember the Soviet Occupation.) Make it like Israel, where they have to serve two years. Then on to the next region. Rinse. Repeat.
Now, that being said, that’s what would happen with a President Palin. With the current occupant of the White House, we’re probably going to unleash the full force of government bureaucrats to create impossible rules of engagement to insure that defeat happens.
I have to agree with Sarah. At least he sent some more troops. She did put a big IF at the end of her post. Putting a deadline was STUPID.
Nice try. You seem to forget that after we fought and won the conventional war in Japan and Germany in WW II, our troops were then subjected to guerrilla warfare and what we would call terrorist attacks for years in those 2 countries, before we finally pacified those countries. In fact, things got so bad, that the New York Times, at one time was calling for our troops to be pulled out of Germany, because according to them, the Germans were simply not genetically made to practice Democracy. Same things were said about the Japanese too. Its funny when we look back at those statements today isn't it? There is no easy way out anywhere. You either finish the job, or it comes back to bite you in the butt. You wanna try again?
So, your definition of victory is the WW2 kind, total.
That is not Obama's definition of victory and that is not why we are sending more troops in.
An act that Palin (and McCain) said they support. Victory can be defined in a number of ways, and Obama isn't going for any of them.
Now is the time for Palin to criticize the plan, not wait for it to fail and more troops to die in a needless war that will accomplish nothing.
That is what a LEADER would do.
Entirely Different circumstances.
You claimed Reagan wouldn't have resigned under the same circumstances.
You don't know that.
If Reagan had the same “ethics” laws in California as Sarah Palin had, and he had legal bills piling up from those fraudulent “ethics complaints”, were piling up at the rate of $500,000 every 4 months, and was on target to be in debt to the tune of over $3 million by the end of his term as governor, and was at the same time being sued by the same 0bamabbot vermin from even using any money from his PAC to cover his legal bills, and his entire family was rapidly becoming destitute even as Alaska's government business was being effectively hamstrung and grinding to a halt, you don't know what he would have done.
Under those circumstances, the sensible thing that anyone who loves their state would do, is resign.
In one stroke, Alaska was once again free to carry on ther business, without evil 0bama lawyers trying to destroy Alaska's government business. The guy Sarah Palin handed over power to was a solid conservative as well.
Meanwhile, she was able to devote her energies to finally trying to make some money to make up the massive debts that 0bama and his evil destroyers had but in her family finances.
Sounds like a very smart move to me. Even more importantly, Republicans voters and independents people agree with her according to the latest polls. Her poll numbers have shot up since her book came out (Democrats are irrelevant), and the American people had a chance to read her side of the story.
It's entirely irrelevant whether you are happy she resigned or not.
Entirely Different circumstances. You claimed Reagan wouldn't have resigned under the same circumstances.
Yes, you are claiming he would have.
You don't know that.
Well, since she is the first governor I know of that did so, it is more likely my view of Reagan is the correct one.
He wouldn't allow the 'legal terrorists' to win.
If Reagan had the same “ethics” laws in California as Sarah Palin had, and he had legal bills piling up from those fraudulent “ethics complaints”, were piling up at the rate of $500,000 every 4 months, and was on target to be in debt to the tune of over $3 million by the end of his term as governor, and was at the same time being sued by the same 0bamabbot vermin from even using any money from his PAC to cover his legal bills, and his entire family was rapidly becoming destitute even as Alaska's government business was being effectively hamstrung and grinding to a halt, you don't know what he would have done. Under those circumstances, the sensible thing that anyone who loves their state would do, is resign. In one stroke, Alaska was once again free to carry on ther business, without evil 0bama lawyers trying to destroy Alaska's government business. The guy Sarah Palin handed over power to was a solid conservative as well. Meanwhile, she was able to devote her energies to finally trying to make some money to make up the massive debts that 0bama and his evil destroyers had but in her family finances.
Well, HER finances now become an issue!
She could have appealed for a legal defense fund and raised millions to help her.
As for Alaska, the People elected her and would have supported her remaining.
She is using that as an excuse for her leaving and giving the Left in Alaska, what they wanted, her out of office.
Sounds like a very smart move to me.
Yes, if you are bored with being Governor and want to raise money and be on the national scene.
Even more importantly, Republicans voters and independents people agree with her according to the latest polls.
They agree with her quitting?
Her poll numbers have shot up since her book came out (Democrats are irrelevant), and the American people had a chance to read her side of the story. It's entirely irrelevant whether you are happy she resigned or not.
No one is denying she isn't popular-NOW.
But she will fade quickly on the political scene.
Again, my definition of victory is the sanme definition that is in the dictionary.
Again, victory doesn't gtet a s=a different definition because we are in Afghanistan.
“That is not Obama’s definition of victory and that is not why we are sending more troops in.”
0bama doesn't believe in ANY kind of victory for America. Period!
He'd probably have bowed to the Japanese emperor and kissed Hitler's butt in WW II as well.
The guy has been an America-hating POS all his life. 0bama is being dragged kicking and screaming to actually fight the Al Quaeda vermin who he in reality has plenty of sympathies for.
“Now is the time for Palin to criticize the plan, not wait for it to fail and more troops to die in a needless war that will accomplish nothing”
The general in charge of Afghanistan, McCrystal demanded those extra troops so he can finish the job. After months of waffling 0bama is finally agreeing with the general and agreeing to send the troops, like the generals on the ground demanded.
What is retarded is to go about putting time tables on when the troops will leave. That is in effect telling the Taliban to hang around till the US soldiers leave, then take over.
Both McCain(n that meeting with 0bama yesterday) and Sarah Palin strongly brought it home to 0bama that this part of the plan is not acceptable.
Even Reagan wasn’t attacked the way this woman was.
Nope.
YOU claimed Reagan wouldn't have.
I then asked you “How the heck do you know that?”
Read back in the thread will ya?
It's still there in black and white.
You can't rewrite history so fast when we gave records to prove what you said right here.
She is the first governor to have resigned?
On what planet is that?
Do you want me to give you a list of other governors in this country that have resigned long before she ever did?
She is the first governor to have resigned? On what planet is that? Do you want me to give you a list of other governors in this country that have resigned long before she ever did?
The CONTEXT was resigning under pressure from frivolous lawsuits, not simply resigning.
But how many governors have resigned from their office, under any circumstances and still ran for President? (which she hasn't done yet either)
The simple minded fools are one glass full of grape from Jones-town.
Exactly. Palin is for the Right what Hillary was to the Left.
Okay, now you're just being Aholes. I thought you wanted to know what victory looked like, but I see you're just condescending sexist little toads.
The CONTEXT was the same circumstances
When people start to drop context, it is because they know they are losing the argument.
Every single governor that has resigned HAS resigned under some kind of pressure.
What planet are you living on, dude?
Amazing how both Hillary and Palin bring to the forefront the same Feminist kneejerk reactions when you reject them.
Feminism on the Right is no less obnoxius then it is on the Left.
The good old “nuance” from the loony left huh? So what's new?
FACT: You don't know what Reagan would have done under the same circumstances, because Reagan never had to deal with the same circumstances.
Ergo, your statement that Reagan wouldn't have reassigned under the same corcumtsnces IS false.
Her finances were ALWAYS an issue.
You have not been paying attention have you?
Now why don't you trying paying your bills and feeding your family, when you are making only about $100,000 per year, and your legal bils are piling up at the rate of $500,000 every 4 months?
“She could have appealed for a legal defense fund and raised millions to help her. “
You don't know anything do you?
She already did. The 0bamabot vermin lawyers took legal action to block her from taking any money from any legal defense fund or even her PAC. This was clearly a mission to destroy not just her, they were out to destroy her entire family and her life.
Now she is hitting back and hitting back hard, and bottom feeders like you, who thought they had her pinned down, are not happy about it.
Good!
“Yes, if you are bored with being Governor and want to raise money and be on the national scene.”
Naaaaah.
If you care about feeding you family, and you care about not leaving your children distititute.
“They agree with her quitting? “
Her poll numbers wouldn't be shooting UP if voters did not agree with her account of what really went on and why she resigned would they?
“No one is denying she isn't popular-NOW.
But she will fade quickly on the political scene”
In your dreams.
This happens to be real life.
She has suffered the baptism of fire, been attacked more viciously than any political figure in contemporary history, been written off as finished after the 2008 elections, and still bounced back strongly and confounded her skeptics, and is winning.
The facts don't support your contention.
Every single governor that has resigned HAS resigned under some kind of pressure.
The context was frivolous lawsuits put into place to make her resign.
Those Governors who were under pressure to resign, were under pressure for something they actually did do.
And again, how many of them ran for President?
What planet are you living on, dude?
So, again, if you think the issue of her quitting is not going to be a major factor if she decides to run, you are the one living in another reality-dude.
How many governors have resigned from office, and after just 5 months, are running virtually neck and neck with the incumbent president of the United States in the polls, and have better approval ratings than the president of the United States, the same president, who by the way, won elections with the highest percentage of the popular vote that ANY Democrat has had for over 30 years?
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