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To: DoughtyOne
You state (at least I believe you did, perhaps someone else did), that we cannot expect to see Conservatism triumph these days because things have changed.

Conservatism can triumph in most of the country but in some parts of the country like New York, Massachusetts, California in order to win the candidates cannot be as conservative as other parts of the country. For example can you get a Jim DeMint type conservative to win in New York? I will say it is almost impossible.

1,572 posted on 11/28/2009 7:56:54 AM PST by jveritas (God Bless our brave troops)
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To: jveritas

I believe anything is possible, and the events of NY23 only furthered that belief. Is it an uphill battle? Heck yes. But one worth fighting. And I think the absolutely Marxist policies of Obama will only help the conservative cause. To the other extreme, there is no way apparently ‘lost’ areas like NY, etc. should dictate the direction of this country. Again, NY23 is a great example of the possibilities.


1,579 posted on 11/28/2009 8:08:49 AM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: jveritas

Look, I think you have plenty of evidence to buttress your thoughts here, but I want to throw something out there and see if it doesn’t ultimately destroy your argument.

We recently had to vote up or down gay marriage in California. The measure was voted down. We also had five measures on our ballot to vote up or down on more California debt. Every one of those measures also went down to defeat.

If the state were beyond hope, those two things could not have happened. Folks outside our state, not you in particular, need to realize that when our populace is presented with clear cut decisions, they are very capable of making the choice.

How does this apply to candidates? Well, you can’t have a Democrat spending ten million dollars or so and getting backing from the top political figures in his party, then hope to see a Republican win who only has about two million dollars to spend, and gets next to no national support.

You can’t have the Democrats spending millions on advertising, and the Republican depending mainly on news coverage to combat the leftist propaganda. You can’t expect the Republican to prevail when he has very few people come out to participate in the few campaign swings he can afford, when the Democrat is capable of many campaign swings with former presidents and top national figures like the Kennedys et al accompanying him.

When the Republican candidate does remain close, as has happened in California in recent times, it tells you what could be possible if he did get the backing.

The GOP has abandoned one of the most productive states in the nation. It is watching it go down the tubes, with not a care in the world about it.

Some will say that California has nobody to blame but itself, it’s citizens, for how things have turned out. To a degree I agree, but the GOP can’t abandon the politicians in California, then blame Californians for not getting the leadership they need.

In the case of Davis vs Simon, that’s exactly what they did. Simon could have won with California and national GOP leadership support. It didn’t happen. California and Californians lost as a result. So did the nation.

The Democrats pull out all the stops in all the races. The GOP doesn’t.

BTW, Simon was a sound Conservative. He could have won here. We could have avoided a lot of the present problems we are saddled with.

Where was the GOP? I submit they were expressing the mindset of those who have written off California. This resulted in a devastating bad outcome for not only California, but the nation too. When California is healthy, it is capable of being a real resource for the nation.

I suspect many of the New England states could benefit from better strategies too. I don’t know enough of the inner workings to say that’s a given, but any effort at all is better than surrendering territory outright.

I must conclude, that RINOs are the bane of our existence. They have taken over the GOP lock stock and barrel. We’re all paying for it.

Don’t be so quick to write off very important territory. When you do, you entrench our enemies on our soil. We need to turn this around, and as an abandoned citizen behind enemy lines, I and other Californians need your help, not your dismissals and salutations.

No personal offense intended, but we’re at war here, and as far as I am concerned, the GOP has withdrawn from the front and is letting the left entrench and advance at will. We cannot win with this strategy.


1,740 posted on 11/28/2009 10:36:35 AM PST by DoughtyOne (A MELTING POT not a potters wheel. Join us. Don't try to turn this nation into the one you fled.)
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